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I recently discovered that I've been ripped off by an Audiogon member who sold me cables that aren't what he said they were, and he won't refund my money or pay me reasonable compensation, or even talk to me.Audiogon won't deal with it since it's over 30 days since the auction closed. The transaction was last year, but I just found out about the deception (he said the cables were factory re-sheathed in a new cover and that's why there isn't a label or serial number). I had trusted him because he had lots of good feedback, but now feel like a fool, and realize the sham potential of the Audiogon feedback system.
The details are available in this thread:
http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/shady/messages/2300.htmlWhat legal recourse do I have? Can I use small claims court (I'm in NC. He's in CA)? Is it worth pursuing at all? What would you do?
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Best recourse is selling the misrepresented cables, as you're not likely to be happy w/these cables in your house. At least this is what I'm reading into your post. How you go about that is a personal choice.
Did you use credit card? File complaint w/your CC Company & ask for refund.
There is quite a market out there in fake cables. By that I mean the cables are sold as brand "x", but they are not real brand "x" cables. In that case, you can contact the cable company - brand "x" -and give them the information you have about the seller and construction of the fake cables. That is sort of a civic thing to do, but won't help your personal situation, I know.
nt
Assuming the guy who sold them to you was fooled just like you there probably isn't much you can do. And the original seller who appears to have misrepresented the cables? How can you or anyone else prove that the cables in question were actually the cables he originally sold? As a matter of fact if the agoner who sold them to you believed them to be "Golds" he might believe you are the one trying to pull a "switch-a-roo". And who knows this might not have been an intentional "rip-off" at all - just a series of misunderstandings/confusions between several audiophiles.
Give me rhythm or give me death!
Not much. Thems are the breaks when dealing in used audio products.
........Depends on what dollar value YOU put on YOUR principles?I am guessing that if you feel the need to ask advice here you will have neither the money nor the balls to do anything at all except whinge. My sincere apologies if I am incorrect.
Do let us know the outcome of your legal recourse in the matter.
Smile
Sox
...between the 'Golds' and the 'Silvers' and ask myself whether the sonic improvement, if any, is enough to get worked up about.
My guess is, you can't hear the difference anyway when you don't know which one is in the system.
I know that's not what you were asking ;)
The said truth is there is nothing you can really do. Not to mention the law is really on his side. If you do any of the suggestions listed here you can bet you are going to jail for it, or at least a long drawn out legal battle with the Federal Government. Next, if you got hoy under the collar in your e-mails, that could also be considered cyber threats and could also be turned into the CA State Attorney and pursued. Since you are out of state the Federal Government will also be involved. My advice is to drop it and stick to people you know. Most A-gon sellers are mom and pop non-business sellers who advertise themselves as legal business. Just be careful.Alan
Did he send it through the mail? Did you send him money through the mail? If so, you could check with the Post Office to see if there's a basis for mail fraud. It's such a small amount that they probably wouldn't do anything even if there was a case but it might might throw a small scare into him.
...a friend did this many years ago to a supervisor he detested.He took out the drop-out subscription cards from numerous magazines, some very objectionable, filled them out with the supervisor's name and address and dropped them in the mailbox.
But I have to warn you - doing this is a federal crime if you get caught.
There was a story some years ago of a guy who did this same thing. But to make it easier, he went to a stationary store and ordered a rubber stamp with the target's name and address on it. The feds traced it to him and he was arrested.
. . . even if you don't get caught.A smart fella once said that character is what you do when nobody's looking.
(nt)
"There was a story some years ago of a guy who did this same thing. But to make it easier, he went to a stationary store and ordered a rubber stamp with the target's name and address on it. The feds traced it to him and he was arrested."If he had gone to a store that was moving around he probably wouldn't have been traced.
I feel for you. That is why I try to stick to products I know, and only buy if there is a photo.
If I read it right the guy before the guy you got the cables from had misrepresented them? Oh well.
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