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In Reply to: This from a guy who claims.... posted by Don T on October 31, 2003 at 17:06:53:
if:One comprehends what a 30 year period is.
I played/performed music, on and off, over such a time period and stopped playing in 1986 due to injuries incurred in an automobile accident. I moved to LA in 1977 in order to pursue a musical career. Never made it, but met a lot of interesting people and had tons of fun.
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> > played/performed music, on and off, over such a time period and
> > stopped playing in 1986 due to injuries incurred in an automobile
> > accident.
Sorry to hear that!> > met a lot of interesting people and had tons of fun.
Hope that it didn't end in 1986.Just to clarify - certainly many musicians and audiophiles are music lovers. It might even be a reasonable assumption that most audiophiles and most musicians really are music lovers - but how to know for sure? I know for a fact that not all audiophiles and not all musicians are music lovers.
when you play with them, but musicians also tend to talk shop (music) with other musicians (suppose plumbers and docters do the same thing when hanging out).I don't know about audiophiles as I have not met that many in person. It's difficult to tell by how we post @ AA & A'Gon as most of the forums are gear orientated (not music orientated). I rarely hang in the music forum as I find it kind of boring to talk music (don't really need any help in this area) and I would guess that others feel this way as well.
In the Vinyl Forum music posts are usually about either sound quality or gloating about recent finds (have not gloated for a while and should probably do so soon).
It's also difficult to discern between being a music lover and being a habitual collector of music (I am both in that I basically want to own everthing that interests me whether it gets listened to even once or twice within a 10 year period - just want it to be there when needed/desired). I used to feel kind of funny about my need to hoard music until my wife put it into the perspective of it being a musical library - really no different than a library of books. Guess it makes sense from that viewpoint.
> > when you play with them, but musicians also tend to talk shop
> > (music) with other musicians (suppose plumbers and docters do the
> > same thing when hanging out).
But do they talk about their love of music? Among the professionals I work with I don't ever recall conversations on our love of engineering or our love for software developemnt. Nor do I ever recall hearing a musican discussing their love of music, or a lawyer their love of law. Every professional, doctor, lawyer, musician, engineer always talks about technical details or circumstances of their positions but never of their love of the position.> > I don't know about audiophiles as I have not met that many in
> > person. It's difficult to tell by how we post @ AA & A'Gon as most
> > of the forums are gear orientated (not music orientated). I rarely
> > hang in the music forum as I find it kind of boring to talk music
> > (don't really need any help in this area) and I would guess that
> > others feel this way as well.
But what's the problem with gear oriented discussions in the gear forums? Surely musicians discuss their tools and instruments - matter of fact "sound" is very important to most musicians.
> > In the Vinyl Forum music posts are usually about either sound
> > quality or gloating about recent finds (have not gloated for a
> > while and should probably do so soon).
I'm always finding great new music - it's easy to tire of gloating.> > It's also difficult to discern between being a music lover and
> > being a habitual collector of music (I am both in that I basically
> > want to own everthing that interests me whether it gets listened
> > to even once or twice within a 10 year period - just want it to be
> > there when needed/desired).
Why bother with the difference? Surely you are a habitual collector of music - and you appreciate audio. What's love got to do with it?> > I used to feel kind of funny about my need to hoard music until my
> > wife put it into the perspective of it being a musical library -
> > really no different than a library of books. Guess it makes sense
> > from that viewpoint.
Maintaining a comprehensive library of music of interest in a limited space has been a challange but it makes sure the collection consists mainly of substantial records instead of being filled with chaff. Also the near constant determinations between what to keep and what to sell helps keep me in touch with lots of nooks and cranny's deep in the collection.For those I know who are most devoted to music it's also about the sound. These guys are particularly anal about accoustics and the tuning of their instruments. Musicians seem to be able know things about each based on the intruments they own and how they've tuned them. Performance and style are things to which musicians are quite sensitive. I would suppose these are somewhat admirable and required qualities of a successful musician.
There are analogies here with audiophiles and their approach to selecting gear as well as direct crossover in how sound and performance are analyzed. However what's admirable and required of a musician often leads to condemnation of some audiophiles by other audiophiles who claim to be in it for their love of music.
One's love for music is irrelevant in discussions about audio or eeven about music ie. it really makes no difference one way or the other if someone loves music or not because it really is all about sound. Using love of music as an excuse for dismissing discussions of sound or gear or instruments or accoustics is simply a way of inflating ones self image onto a false higher plane of self righteousness while demeaning those who may actually have important issues of discussion. Musicians are intimately concerned with the sound and so should be audiophiles. Love of music, among audiophiles or musicians, is irrelevant in any discussion except for discussions on ones love of music.
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