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i have just purchased the Magnum Dynalab 108 (demo model)
will i need an expensive interconect to get the most out of it like i do with my cdp or will it not make much of a diffrenceThank you
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Use what you would normally use for CDP etc.
Hi.Assuming it is a FM tuner, its specs is generally lower than a CD player, & much much lower than DVD-audio player, the 'big brother' of
CD player with much much better sound & specs than the best CD player.Specs of a FM tuner:
(1) Audio frequency response: typically, 50Hz - 14KHz
(2) Total harmonic distortion (1KHZ at 100& modulation):
typically, 0.2% mono & 0.4% stereo
(3) Stereo seperation: typically, 35dB, not better than LP.I would call FM programms mid-Fi. So, I would not spend too much money on exotic interconnects on it.
That said, I still listen to background music programmes from my
antique Northern Electric AM tabletop radio (cir 1935s) when I am behind my DIY workbench.c-J
First of all, the Magnum Dynalab MD-108's price is $5,850. It is perhaps one of the finest tuners ever made, so the matter of it's interconnect cable's performance level deserves special attention. And if FM as an audio medium is so "Mid-Fi", why would anyone put such effort into the notion of designing and manufacturing a SOTA tuner, much less someone choose to buy one?The sonic merit of FM radio in general can be very good, indeed. Even a more humble tuner (such as my $750 Nakamichi ST-7) deserves as high performance cabling as I wish to spend or can afford to spend based on my listening wants/needs. While I don't budget as much audio dollars towards my tuner as I do my digital front end, I do put as much effort into gathering it's interconnects, power cord, AC outlet, power line conditioning, and vibration control. If I desired to go the extra mile and dedicate more funds towards my tuner, I'm sure the extra expense would be well worth it.
Furthermore, this issue has nothing to do with specs, it has to do with how good a tuner actually sounds and how important that sound is to a listener. So what if FM does not provide extended frequency extremes? This factor should not determine the value of a high performance cable choice. The vast majority of important audio information resides in the midrange frequencies, and stereo seperation specs (not to mention noise and dynamic range) do not affect overall sonic merit when it comes to cable choices. If specs were the prime qualitative factor in deciding what is worthy of audiophilia, no one would listen to vinyl, anymore (much less bother buying "exotic" phono-level cables), now would they?
Hi.First off, I hate to say you want to argue mootly for the sake of argument.
If you argument is valid that "the vast majority of important audio information resides in the midrange frequencies", implying other specs are not relevant, then the antique radio (the old Northern Electric AM radio I mentioned im my post which I picked up unexpectedly for only $10 from a garage sale years back) should be good enough with very limited bandwidth but ample of rich midrange sound. Yet, I enjoy very much ONLY as a casual background music source.
With above argument, who needs to spend over $5,000 to acquire a tuner?????
Given other choices of sonic programmes sources, like LP player, DVD & CD players, I would not put my big bucks for a tuner unless I had owned other programme sources which already costed me more than that tuner. This is logics & common sense.
Were I to own a 5-grander tuner like the original poster, I won't mind spending a few hundred bucks to buy quality ICs just to match its price level.
Like if one owns a Mercedes, would one go for cheapest gasolines ???
Not that low-octane gas is not good, it just does not match the expensive car.That's why my first question to the poster was: what tuner is it?
AM+FM? I wanted to know more before I response.c-J
"First off, I hate to say you want to argue mootly for the sake of argument."Moot? Don't even insult my intention as a poster in Cable Asylum. You are so ill-informed and biased towards your own limited POV that it's funny to see you accuse me of intent to be contrary for the sake of argument. It's a real waste of time to post any information for you since you show little desire to learn anything in Cable Asylum.
"If you argument is valid that "the vast majority of important audio information resides in the midrange frequencies", implying other specs are not relevant, then the antique radio (the old Northern Electric AM radio I mentioned im my post which I picked up unexpectedly for only $10 from a garage sale years back) should be good enough with very limited bandwidth but ample of rich midrange sound. Yet, I enjoy very much ONLY as a casual background music source."
I don't understand this point. Enjoy your radio.
"With above argument, who needs to spend over $5,000 to acquire a tuner?????"
I don't understand this point other than personal opinion. Again, enjoy your radio.
"Given other choices of sonic programmes sources, like LP player, DVD & CD players, I would not put my big bucks for a tuner unless I had owned other programme sources which already costed me more than that tuner. This is logics & common sense."
Sorry, I simply don't understand your language use in this case.
"Were I to own a 5-grander tuner like the original poster, I won't mind spending a few hundred bucks to buy quality ICs just to match its price level."
Just to match it's price level? You show little insight into the nature of high performance cables and why and where to use them.
"Like if one owns a Mercedes, would one go for cheapest gasolines ??? Not that low-octane gas is not good, it just does not match the expensive car."
A misplaced analogy. High-octane fuel usage pertains to a manufacturer's criteria, not an automobile's expense.
"That's why my first question to the poster was: what tuner is it? AM+FM? I wanted to know more before I response."
Don't be such a cheeky monkey, cheap-Jack! You would like to spin this, but your question was if it was an AM+FM tuner, not what make/model tuner it was...
Hi.Cool it, pal.
You don't seem to undertand a lot but yet still want to talk & talk.
We appreciate every poster's goodwill here but we would appreciate even more to read posts with substance instead of empty talks.Yes, I have only little "insight" in high performance cables despite I am in power engineering business for last 16 years involving application of various types of wires & cables for my turnkey projects. You know how a 150KV insulated cable looks like?
FYI, I design-build quality cables, e.g. ICs, power cords, etc. as hobby for whoever affordable.
As you just claimed you're so knowledgeable in cables, why don't me tell how to build an audio IC with Ag conductors AIR insulated & air-TIGHT ?????
Show me you really knows about audio cables instead of just talking.
c-J
HowdyLet's try to keep it a little less personal.
We each have our own experience and our own level of skill at expressing it. Let's respect each other and perhaps the asylum will be better for it.
-Ted
HowdyBut curiously I can easily tell vinyl from CD from SACD over my FM tuner on at least one station in our area. I find the quality of FM to be amazing compared to what one might expect.
-Ted
Are you sure your DVD player doesn't have a FM tuner speced cable?On the other hand what cable WON'T transmit every frequency a DVD player will produce?
You probably bought one of those "DVD Ready" cables huh?
Hi.The original poster seeked advice on tuner interconnets, NOT CD player, which you suggested.
FYI, I use 4N silver interconnects (all my DIY built air-tight) for my DVD-audio player, CD player, & LP player.
I don't buy any ICs from vendors. Just not good enough.
c-J
Hi Akmal,
since you don't mention the antenna, I would say better spend on the antenna than IC cable. Giving your tuner the strongest and cleanest signal possible is more important. An expensive cable can't fix a weak signal or a signal with tons of multipath. And please no skinny whips unless you have absolutely no choice... you need a yagi or log periodic outside at least one wavelength above your roof and on a rotator.
But since this is the cable forum, and you were asking about cables to begin with, yes same rules apply, power cord, IC cable all worth considering.good luck
paba
A very pricey SOTA tuner such as this should be treated in the same manner as your digital front end when it comes to interconnects, power cord, AC delivery, and vibration control. A reviewer mentioned that the 108 is power cord sensitive, so you should consider a high performance power cord upgrade rather than use it's stock 18 AWG power cord, IMHO.
I second what Serus said, that if you listen to the tuner a lot, it is just as important a component as a cdp or turntable. Upgrades in cables from tuners are readily discernable. For my tuner, I recently upgraded from Nordost Red Dawn to Nordost SPM. There was a dramatic improvement, with improvements all around but particularly in the bass. I'm now using Nordost Frey, same as with the cdp. If you went to the expense of buying a fine tuner like the MD 108, I think a fine cable is warranted.
You already have a set of good interconnects, so why not try them vs. some generic ones. Let your ears tell you if it's worth the extra expense. In general, if you're likely to listen to the tuner most of the time then you should consider it as important as your CDP. If it's for casual listening only then probably not worth the "investment".
HowdyI find that my tuner has very good audio output and I use fairly good interconnects on it. Like you (I presume) I can't quite bring myself to spend what I did for my main sources but the tuner does give surprisingly good and enjoyable music.
-Ted
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