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• Thanks - didn't know about that one - racerguy 15:18:39 03/05/06 (7)
  In Reply to: Here's one that's UL listed... posted by Duster on March 5, 2006 at 14:57:36:

  The Porter Ports sold on Audiogon are UL-listed, and seem to have a good reputation. I've used the PS Audio Power Ports - they are UL-listed, but I don't like them.

  I sent an email to Wattgate asking about the 381, will see what they say. It does not appear that any of the Oyaides are UL-listed. Too bad.
  
  
  

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  • Re: Thanks - didn't know about that one - Duster 15:41:17 03/05/06 (6)
    In Reply to: Thanks - didn't know about that one posted by racerguy on March 5, 2006 at 15:18:39:

    Do you think an electrician would demand proof of UL listing?
    
    

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    • I-N-S-P-E-C-T-O-R - racerguy 16:49:40 03/05/06 (5)
      In Reply to: Re: Thanks - didn't know about that one posted by Duster on March 5, 2006 at 15:41:17:

      Not electrician.

      BTW, the UL symbol is embossed on a UL-listed outlet. It's very noticeable if it's not there.
      
      

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      • E-L-E-C-T-R-C-I-A-N - cdb 20:20:44 03/06/06 (2)
        In Reply to: I-N-S-P-E-C-T-O-R posted by racerguy on March 5, 2006 at 16:49:40:

        Many, most, some IBEW-trained, Journeyman Inside Wireman of my aquaintance would drop non-listed products like a hot potato(e)if asked to install. Heavens to Betsy, as Mom would say, the '05 NEC requires *rigid conduit* to be listed.

        OTOH, listing is *voluntary*, and costs big dough to get there. An unlisted product may or may not be unsafe. The experience and judgement of the installer/owner can go a long way to deciding if something or a method is "safe."

        Electricity, and wiring products and methods, is not an area for weekend amateurs. Kinda like trying to cut your own hair, except with far more serious consequences.

        Point, on Inspectors...
        
        

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        • Re: E-L-E-C-T-R-C-I-A-N - racerguy 06:54:01 03/07/06 (1)
          In Reply to: E-L-E-C-T-R-C-I-A-N posted by cdb on March 6, 2006 at 20:20:44:

          > > Many, most, some IBEW-trained, Journeyman Inside Wireman of my aquaintance would drop non-listed products like a hot potato(e)if asked to install. < <

          My point exactly.

          > > Electricity, and wiring products and methods, is not an area for weekend amateurs. < <

          It's hard to disagree with your blanket statement, as most people are very unknowledgeable about electricity and think it's quite safe to tinker with (as evidenced by hundreds of truly frightening posts on this website from some DIYers).

          However, I qualify as a "weekend amateur," but I do much better work than many of the licensed journeymen I've encountered, and I could easily pass the SP-SFD examination in my state. The licensed electrical contractor that wired my current house did an absolutely horrible job - hurried, sloppy, and dangerous in spots. Their work passed inspection.

          
          
          
          

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          • Can't disagree, but the key is to have - cdb 19:48:39 03/07/06 (0)
            In Reply to: Re: E-L-E-C-T-R-C-I-A-N posted by racerguy on March 7, 2006 at 06:54:01:

            work-stop inspection points when employing any contractor, any trade, for most any job, say over a few hundred bucks.

            The first key is to draft and provide a detailed written scope of work, wherein *you spec the materials and methods and precisely what is to be accomplished. A set of quality drawings, or even sketches, showing exactly what you want, and how it's to be accomplished, goes a long way. These both are bulletproof fallback documents.

            Handwaving, verbal instructions w/ 5 sentances on the contract are death...
            
            

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      • D-I-Y-O-U-T-L-E-T-I-N-S-T-A-L-L - Duster 18:22:43 03/05/06 (1)
        In Reply to: I-N-S-P-E-C-T-O-R posted by racerguy on March 5, 2006 at 16:49:40:

        If I can install non-UL stamped outlets, I don't see why you can't, either. Do DIY installations after the inspector (and electrician) leaves the building like so many Elvis'....

        :-D
        
        

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        • I explained all of this previously, Duster - racerguy 05:55:41 03/06/06 (0)
          In Reply to: D-I-Y-O-U-T-L-E-T-I-N-S-T-A-L-L posted by Duster on March 5, 2006 at 18:22:43:

          To refresh your memory from yesterday:

          > > it would be a time-saver for me to hand the electrician a boxful of outlets and have him install them, since he'll be doing that work anyway < <

          Thanks for the link to the DIYAudio outlet - I appreciate it very much. Let's leave this discussion at that. I don't have time to keep repeating myself! :-)
          

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