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In Reply to: Re: Wire damping posted by drdna on December 25, 2005 at 20:35:43:
I have had the same experience with rubber based material. I once made an IC that was created around a teflon string, and then made the same interconnect around a rubber string that was used as a gasket for screens. The rubber based on was muddy and veiled and terrible to listen to.You are right about the trade offs, but with some experimentation, it is possible to find materials that have good dielectric properties, and also do a good job of damping.
Thin conductors must be dampenend IMHO or many of the benefits will be lost. Bass especially is affected, and I think that might be why cable lifters work more so than for dielectric issues.
This week, I may get time to test this a bit. I can make the same interconnect but with 2 different dielectrics. One will be in the 1.3 range, and the second one will be in the 3 range, but do a better job of damping.
Further, I will test these on headphones, and then on speakers, where airborne vibrations should be more of a concern. It will be interesting to see what happens.
I agree with you about doing what makes sense in each application, except that a universal theory does seem to apply, at least in my case in my system.
BUt I still have some old thick wire that I can use to revisit the conclusions I have drawn. Yet the last time I did this, I prefered the thin wire.
If the wires are not damped or minimally damped as you describe, then I am not surprised with the results you have obtained, particularly with the bass.
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Very interesting...Of course keep in mind I am not talking about 12 ga. wire or anything like that. The difference here is between 28 ga and 22 ga. (I think) wire.
However, are you listening to CD's or vinyl as your source material? If you are listening with CD's and through Maggies, I will predict that you will prefer the thin wire. When I used to strive for a "precise" sound with so-called "tight bass" I was all about ultrathin silver wire everywhere. It simply further enhances this sort of sound quality.
Taken to its extreme, I finally had to admit my stereo was sounding remarkably precise, but it didn't sound much like live music at all.
However, I am always for experimentation. What kind of dampening material do you prefer? I am sure I can quickly make up a pair of similar cables and it would be fun to hear the results.
I don't actually to CDs, but a computer based system. SO I guess that the original was CD quality, but it is upsampled to 32/96 form 16/44.I wouldn't characterise things as "percise"...actually, I have set up the speakers in such a way that the sound is less precise....because it sounds more real.
ANyhow, I should invite you over since we live in the same city, but my system is not really set-up right at the moment. See these damn floors are paper thin, and the morons down stairs are "musicians" (I guess anyone with no talent and a guitar counts these days) and long story short, I can't play any music, or I will have to hear their band practice. So I haven't put in the effort to get things 100%.
Hopefully I will be buying something in the next year, and can set things up properly.
HOw long are your runs?
Sorry to hear your system is out of commission. This happened to me as well a few years ago when the turntable motor broke. I actually just stopped listening until I repaired it, even though the CD player actaully worked fine. So I am not a big fan of CD's except in the car where the acoustics are totally whacked anyway.Anyway, the runs are all minimal length, about a meter or so, except for the subwoofer cables, which end up being around ten feet, just because of where everything has to be placed in the room.
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