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Isolation Ward From ebony pucks to magic foil, mystical and controversial tweaks. |
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Isolation Ward From ebony pucks to magic foil, mystical and controversial tweaks. |
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In Reply to: Bybee, Belt, Tice and Kait. posted by rick_m on August 22, 2008 at 11:00:51:
And excuse my first post - I thought "isolation ward" was sort of a dumping ground for things that were even too much for Prop Heads so I conducted myself accordingly (poorly).
So let me try again...
If a tweak results in a change in perception, it is arguable whether or not that tweak has VALUE - even it has no active mechanism by which it achieves this end. By "no active mechanism" I mean it works in the imagination (and thus perception) of the end user.
Why is this such a cause for contraversy?
Many subjectivists here have claimed that if indeed a tweak ONLY results in a perceptual change they don't care, so long as the perceptual change is a positive one. They are not demanding "proof" that the change has an active mechanism like the objectivists often do.
Once a subjectivist had made an assertion like this, arguing is about as sensible as questioning someone's preference for an iced cream flavor or a person who enjoys a drive in the countryside after a car wash because their car drives better because it is "happy" that it has been washed.
If the car is happy and the driver is happy... how do we prove this?
And do we need to?
Cheers,
Presto
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Follow Ups
- Let me try again. - Presto 16:12:20 09/12/08 (48)
- You ask an interesting question....( longwinded, caution) - unclestu52 13:09:52 09/13/08 (40)
- I didn't know about your experiments with wood. - Paul_A 10:00:52 09/14/08 (4)
- RE: experiments with wood.(long) - unclestu52 20:32:06 09/14/08 (3)
- RE: experiments with wood.(long) - Paul_A 03:27:36 09/15/08 (2)
- hate to bring this on you - unclestu52 11:50:36 09/16/08 (1)
- tone woods - bartc 18:32:34 10/06/08 (0)
- RE: "For certain tweaks, I have spent literally decades of experimenting." - geoffkait 07:21:18 09/14/08 (34)
- Then what's the crystal doing inside the Shunmook disc? - hotbird 22:40:31 10/23/08 (1)
- Should we call for a vote? nt - geoffkait 07:03:01 10/27/08 (0)
- "ordinary physics" - dave c 14:33:26 09/20/08 (1)
- RE: "ordinary physics" - geoffkait 12:13:14 09/21/08 (0)
- I too find "appeal to authority" arguments generally unsatisfactory. - rick_m 11:07:53 09/14/08 (29)
- having an example of the CLC - unclestu52 22:27:03 09/14/08 (18)
- RE: having an example of the CLC - May Belt 10:24:24 09/15/08 (1)
- As a matter of fact - unclestu52 12:33:12 09/15/08 (0)
- RE: having an example of the CLC - rick_m 08:27:46 09/15/08 (8)
- RE: having an example of the CLC - unclestu52 11:47:21 09/15/08 (7)
- addendum - unclestu52 15:47:03 09/28/08 (0)
- RE: "... the stopping of the action and restarting at at a different time interval seems to be the key." - geoffkait 07:08:02 09/16/08 (5)
- Although I dislike replying to your comments - unclestu52 11:27:40 09/16/08 (4)
- RE: Artificial atoms (ooops, I almost forgot) - geoffkait 16:20:48 09/16/08 (2)
- So according to your post above - unclestu52 21:44:50 09/16/08 (1)
- Good catch! - geoffkait 03:20:23 09/17/08 (0)
- Did you just wake up or something? - geoffkait 13:08:03 09/16/08 (0)
- RE: "You can draw your own conclusions from a such an examination and experimentation." - geoffkait 03:41:08 09/15/08 (6)
- Does the real mechanism appear on one of your lists? - Tony Lauck 07:10:05 09/21/08 (5)
- RE: Does the real mechanism appear on one of your lists? - geoffkait 10:19:44 09/21/08 (4)
- RE: Does the real mechanism appear on one of your lists? - Tony Lauck 10:28:32 09/21/08 (3)
- RE: "Unless you know, how can you know that someone else doesn't know?" - geoffkait 10:48:08 09/21/08 (2)
- RE: "Unless you know, how can you know that someone else doesn't know?" - Tony Lauck 10:51:50 09/21/08 (1)
- RE: "Unless you know, how can you know that someone else doesn't know?" - geoffkait 16:53:50 09/21/08 (0)
- RE: "I have it on the best authority!" - geoffkait 11:44:15 09/14/08 (9)
- RE: "I have it on the best authority!" - rick_m 14:23:04 09/14/08 (8)
- RE: "I'm willing to believe that your product doesn't work for the reasons that you have stated." - geoffkait 04:14:53 09/15/08 (7)
- RE: "A more reasonable approach..." - rick_m 07:30:34 09/15/08 (6)
- RE: The most reasonable approach in my opinion is to merely ask the designer, but that has proven fruitless." - geoffkait 09:36:38 09/15/08 (5)
- Mr. Snippy??? - rick_m 11:25:42 09/15/08 (4)
- RE: "You win the Beltist bet." Surprise, surprise, the troll caves - geoffkait 12:18:03 09/15/08 (3)
- RE: "Untouched system". - rick_m 13:06:51 09/15/08 (2)
- RE: "I'm convinced one of the factors which has helped happiness to abound here is interconnects." - geoffkait 17:20:44 09/15/08 (1)
- Thank you. -nt - rick_m 17:28:08 09/15/08 (0)
- Happy is good. - rick_m 10:58:17 09/13/08 (0)
- Let me try again - please do - raphsdad 03:41:41 09/13/08 (1)
- There's another Asylum forum for this sort of thing... - Wellfed 18:40:53 09/13/08 (0)
- Could you be a little more specific as to what you're trying to accomplish... - Wellfed 21:01:52 09/12/08 (3)
- I'm interested in psychoacoustics... - Presto 23:11:35 09/13/08 (2)
- There is some - unclestu52 20:55:19 09/14/08 (1)
- Spot on! - rick_m 08:55:38 09/15/08 (0)
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