At what level are these sidebands inaudible?

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Topic - I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - morricab 01:11:19 09/18/15 (390)

Absolutely correct - genungo 11:36:05 10/01/15 (2)

RE: Absolutely correct - A.Wayne 12:07:40 10/01/15 (1)

RE: Absolutely correct - genungo 12:23:09 10/01/15 (0)

RE: I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - petalue@yandex.com 04:32:33 09/25/15 (1)

RE: I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - morricab 06:08:41 09/25/15 (0)

And Your Amp Is Better, How? - Inmate51 20:37:29 09/22/15 (55)

RE: And Your Amp Is Better, How? - Tre' 20:54:08 09/22/15 (54)

So measurements do matter? Single ended and low distortion in the same sentence? nt - kuribo 05:55:05 09/23/15 (53)

Who said measurements don't matter? - Tre' 08:51:13 09/23/15 (52)

You are merely justifying your preference with ... - Feanor 06:18:45 09/25/15 (21)

RE: You are merely justifying your preference with ... - Tre' 12:39:43 09/25/15 (20)

"At what point is 81st inaudible?" - Feanor 06:11:52 09/26/15 (19)

RE: "At what point is 81st inaudible?" - morricab 13:21:23 09/26/15 (12)

I guess Soundstage has good test equipment - Feanor 17:17:07 09/26/15 (11)

RE: I guess Soundstage has good test equipment - morricab 11:47:17 09/27/15 (9)

RE: FMA - A.Wayne 13:56:42 09/27/15 (8)

RE: FMA - morricab 07:04:08 09/30/15 (7)

RE: FMA - A.Wayne 07:17:47 09/30/15 (6)

RE: FMA - morricab 13:54:54 09/30/15 (5)

RE: FMA - A.Wayne 14:47:33 09/30/15 (4)

RE: FMA - morricab 08:14:33 10/01/15 (3)

RE: FMA - A.Wayne 09:10:25 10/01/15 (2)

RE: FMA - morricab 12:55:10 10/01/15 (1)

RE: FMA - A.Wayne 16:45:27 10/01/15 (0)

RE: I guess Soundstage has good test equipment - A.Wayne 17:34:00 09/26/15 (0)

Like Putseys has said, if you use feedback, use a lot...nt - kuribo 06:28:14 09/26/15 (5)

Indeed, (though Pass doesn't agree) - Feanor 06:38:48 09/26/15 (4)

In Pass's feedback article, he makes an offhand negative assumption about using high amounts of feedback - kuribo 07:05:59 09/26/15 (3)

One answer seems obvious - Feanor 07:34:50 09/26/15 (2)

RE: One answer seems obvious - morricab 13:32:33 09/26/15 (0)

Agreed....How can something inaudible be an issue, in any case....nt - kuribo 07:57:20 09/26/15 (0)

Where do you get your "audibility" theorem? - kuribo 13:16:52 09/23/15 (29)

No response Tre? nt - kuribo 05:13:00 09/24/15 (0)

RE: Where do you get your "audibility" theorem? - Garg0yle 14:59:58 09/23/15 (25)

RE: Where do you get your "audibility" theorem? - morricab 07:02:02 09/24/15 (2)

RE: Where do you get your "audibility" theorem? - A.Wayne 07:55:36 09/24/15 (1)

RE: Where do you get your "audibility" theorem? - morricab 12:59:35 09/24/15 (0)

RE: Where do you get your "audibility" theorem? - A.Wayne 16:07:33 09/23/15 (3)

RE: Where do you get your "audibility" theorem? - Garg0yle 16:27:10 09/23/15 (2)

RE: Where do you get your "audibility" theorem? - A.Wayne 16:37:43 09/23/15 (1)

RE: Where do you get your "audibility" theorem? - Garg0yle 16:54:12 09/23/15 (0)

RE: Where do you get your "audibility" theorem? - Tre' 16:03:50 09/23/15 (6)

RE: Where do you get your "audibility" theorem? - A.Wayne 16:12:21 09/23/15 (5)

RE: Where do you get your "audibility" theorem? - Tre' 16:32:03 09/23/15 (4)

RE: Where do you get your "audibility" theorem? - A.Wayne 16:39:56 09/23/15 (3)

RE: Where do you get your "audibility" theorem? - Tre' 16:49:18 09/23/15 (2)

RE: Where do you get your "audibility" theorem? - morricab 03:20:16 09/24/15 (1)

RE: Where do you get your "audibility" theorem? - Tre' 08:37:43 09/24/15 (0)

Haven't you been warned about posts such as this? - kuribo 15:02:43 09/23/15 (10)

RE: Haven't you been warned about posts such as this? - Garg0yle 15:06:02 09/23/15 (9)

I'm well aware of my restrictions and following them. The question is, why aren't you? nt - kuribo 15:22:09 09/23/15 (8)

RE: I'm well aware of my restrictions and following them. The question is, why aren't you? nt - Garg0yle 15:29:58 09/23/15 (7)

And ... - The Bored 07:48:43 09/24/15 (5)

RE: And ... - Garg0yle 14:37:35 09/24/15 (1)

RE: And ... - The Bored 17:02:16 09/24/15 (0)

RE: And ... - Inmate51 09:05:38 09/24/15 (2)

I agree, and furthermore, if those that don't are going to be discriminated against, why not make it a rule? n - kuribo 13:16:26 09/24/15 (0)

RE: And ... - Tre' 09:28:16 09/24/15 (0)

RE: I'm well aware of my restrictions and following them. The question is, why aren't you? nt - A.Wayne 16:09:52 09/23/15 (0)

RE: Where do you get your "audibility" theorem? - A.Wayne 13:47:24 09/23/15 (1)

I see something, but at -120dB, I don't hear anything....nt - kuribo 13:54:35 09/23/15 (0)

RE: I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - noway 08:05:53 09/22/15 (9)

RE: I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - morricab 10:43:10 09/22/15 (7)

RE: I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - noway 23:09:12 09/22/15 (1)

RE: I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - morricab 01:49:54 09/23/15 (0)

RE: I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - A.Wayne 10:48:46 09/22/15 (4)

RE: I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - morricab 01:50:53 09/23/15 (3)

RE: I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - A.Wayne 03:42:18 09/23/15 (2)

RE: I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - morricab 03:28:24 09/24/15 (0)

Ridiculous to call a set amp design "best" if your reference is "live music" levels with real speakers... - kuribo 06:02:34 09/23/15 (0)

RE: I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - Garg0yle 09:32:18 09/22/15 (0)

RE: I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - nl 13:37:17 09/19/15 (0)

RE: I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - A.Wayne 11:36:34 09/19/15 (9)

RE: I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - hahax@verizon.net 13:07:33 09/19/15 (8)

RE: I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - morricab 15:07:58 09/19/15 (6)

RE: I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - hahax@verizon.net 20:15:59 09/19/15 (5)

RE: I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - morricab 01:18:01 09/20/15 (3)

RE: I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - hahax@verizon.net 20:26:14 09/20/15 (2)

For Me, a Reasonable Compromise Has Been . . . - goldenthal 23:53:51 09/26/15 (0)

RE: I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - morricab 03:28:14 09/21/15 (0)

No amp is perfect thus it is all about compromise... - kuribo 20:35:15 09/19/15 (0)

That's the fault line through the whole argument... - kuribo 14:09:30 09/19/15 (0)

Especially ones that require time travel to work! - Maxamillion 11:06:01 09/19/15 (3)

Perhaps you are confusing the delay of electrons in a wire with time scales associated with audio...nt - kuribo 07:02:04 09/20/15 (2)

Perhaps you forgot feedback time errors make many cycles through the amp circuit - Maxamillion 07:50:57 09/20/15 (1)

The math, measurements, and many more listeners don't support those claims if done right but - kuribo 08:24:37 09/20/15 (0)

Music is distortion - Frihed89 00:20:28 09/19/15 (114)

Music is distortion...umm no. - morricab 09:24:05 09/19/15 (2)

RE: Music is distortion...umm no. - Frihed89 00:31:46 09/20/15 (1)

RE: Music is distortion...umm no. - morricab 01:20:30 09/20/15 (0)

Music may be distortion, but to reproduce the SIGNAL, ADDING distortion does not equal adding music... - kuribo 04:48:24 09/19/15 (109)

RE: Music may be distortion, but to reproduce the SIGNAL, ADDING distortion does not equal adding music... - Garg0yle 07:41:24 09/19/15 (2)

Distortion is distortion.... - kuribo 08:00:30 09/19/15 (1)

RE: Distortion is distortion.... - Garg0yle 08:26:00 09/19/15 (0)

Well put: is it lack of "bad" distortion or the addition of "good" distortion - Feanor 06:12:26 09/19/15 (105)

RE: Well put: is it lack of "bad" distortion or the addition of "good" distortion - morricab 09:22:20 09/19/15 (1)

Well said. (nt) - Tre' 14:18:45 09/19/15 (0)

RE: Well put: is it lack of "bad" distortion or the addition of "good" distortion - Garg0yle 07:59:16 09/19/15 (14)

At what level are these sidebands inaudible? - kuribo 08:02:48 09/19/15 (13)

RE: At what level are these sidebands inaudible? - Garg0yle 08:30:52 09/19/15 (12)

You haven't answered my question...at what level do sidebands become inaudible? - kuribo 08:39:20 09/19/15 (11)

RE: You haven't answered my question...at what level do sidebands become inaudible? - Garg0yle 09:04:18 09/19/15 (0)

RE: You haven't answered my question...at what level do sidebands become inaudible? - Garg0yle 08:43:27 09/19/15 (9)

By specifying a zero level you are saying the human ear is infinitely sensitive..oookaaaay. LOL! - kuribo 08:51:16 09/19/15 (8)

RE: By specifying a zero level you are saying the human ear is infinitely sensitive..oookaaaay. LOL! - Garg0yle 09:08:50 09/19/15 (7)

I asked at what level the sidebands become inaudible. You said 0.000% that means - kuribo 09:16:04 09/19/15 (6)

The secret to "good" sound ISN'T 0% higher order sidebands ... - Feanor 10:55:53 09/20/15 (5)

RE: The secret to "good" sound ISN'T 0% higher order sidebands ... - morricab 11:55:37 09/20/15 (2)

RE: The secret to "good" sound ISN'T 0% higher order sidebands ... - A.Wayne 12:17:31 09/20/15 (1)

RE: The secret to "good" sound ISN'T 0% higher order sidebands ... - morricab 08:49:24 09/21/15 (0)

RE: The secret to "good" sound ISN'T 0% higher order sidebands ... - Garg0yle 11:17:41 09/20/15 (1)

It's all subjective. Tastes differ. No one has found any magic rule that fits everyone....and there are amps - kuribo 13:04:53 09/20/15 (0)

True, but isn't the crux of the matter the fallacy that mine is "better" than yours - kuribo 06:29:18 09/19/15 (87)

RE: True, but isn't the crux of the matter the fallacy that mine is "better" than yours - Tre' 08:07:21 09/19/15 (86)

"goals", preferences, the same thing...which is my point....clearly nt everyone agrees on what is best...nt - kuribo 08:21:54 09/19/15 (85)

RE: "goals", preferences, the same thing...which is my point....clearly nt everyone agrees on what is best...nt - Tre' 08:38:59 09/19/15 (65)

The worst kind of arrogance... - kuribo 08:58:27 09/19/15 (64)

RE: The worst kind of arrogance... - Tre' 10:04:56 09/19/15 (34)

It's got nothing to do with liking or disliking live music. It's about - kuribo 10:12:51 09/19/15 (33)

RE: It's got nothing to do with liking or disliking live music. It's about - Tre' 10:43:29 09/19/15 (32)

Get over what? Pretty big "if" there, don't you think? Have you been the re on every recording made? nt - kuribo 14:16:11 09/19/15 (2)

RE: Get over what? Pretty big "if" there, don't you think? Have you been the re on every recording made? nt - Tre' 14:28:21 09/19/15 (1)

When it comes to what I think sounds best, I don't need anyone else's opinion... - kuribo 14:38:07 09/19/15 (0)

Second Class Audiophiles - Tony Lauck 12:10:48 09/19/15 (28)

Even those who spend their entire life listening to recordings" don't agree...nt - kuribo 14:17:48 09/19/15 (5)

RE: Even those who spend their entire life listening to recordings" don't agree...nt - Tre' 14:23:03 09/19/15 (4)

But they do argue, don't they? nt - kuribo 14:27:21 09/19/15 (3)

RE: But they do argue, don't they? nt - Tre' 14:32:53 09/19/15 (2)

Back to my system again.... - kuribo 14:46:09 09/19/15 (1)

RE: Back to my system again.... - Tre' 15:01:08 09/19/15 (0)

RE: Second Class Audiophiles - Tre' 12:44:33 09/19/15 (21)

RE: Second Class Audiophiles - A.Wayne 13:27:06 09/19/15 (20)

RE: Second Class Audiophiles - Tre' 13:46:10 09/19/15 (19)

According to Nelson Pass, "It's not brain surgery, it's entertainment"...nt - kuribo 14:19:23 09/19/15 (18)

RE: According to Nelson Pass, "It's not brain surgery, it's entertainment"...nt - Tre' 14:40:07 09/19/15 (17)

Another Pass quote that seems apropo.... - kuribo 19:33:36 09/19/15 (0)

It is unobtainable, and it is entertaining, we can agree on that...nt - kuribo 14:47:28 09/19/15 (15)

Well I'm glad we found something to agree on. (nt) - Tre' 15:12:09 09/19/15 (14)

Me too...to answer your earlier question... - kuribo 16:45:35 09/19/15 (13)

The bottom line... - mkuller 22:33:07 09/19/15 (1)

I haven't made any claims that my amp is "best" - kuribo 04:44:18 09/20/15 (0)

RE: Me too...to answer your earlier question... - Tre' 17:49:31 09/19/15 (10)

RE: Me too...to answer your earlier question... - A.Wayne 17:56:42 09/19/15 (9)

RE: Me too...to answer your earlier question... - Tre' 18:05:57 09/19/15 (8)

RE: Me too...to answer your earlier question... - kuribo 18:25:59 09/19/15 (7)

Of course... - Tre' 19:34:36 09/19/15 (6)

Are you referring to the ncore specs? Is so, did you see this note? - kuribo 19:42:18 09/19/15 (5)

RE: Are you referring to the ncore specs? Is so, did you see this note? - Tre' 20:29:39 09/19/15 (4)

Look here at page 8, 4 lines down from the top, in bold: - kuribo 20:38:24 09/19/15 (3)

RE: Look here at page 8, 4 lines down from the top, in bold: - Tre' 21:07:51 09/19/15 (2)

The only thing that matters... - mkuller 09:23:01 09/20/15 (1)

Which is subjective and we're back to you can't argue taste... - kuribo 09:30:33 09/20/15 (0)

RE: The worst kind of arrogance... - Tre' 09:53:48 09/19/15 (28)

Yup- how does that saying go? - Ralph 14:36:45 09/21/15 (0)

Your assumption that anyone who doesn't agree with your interpretation the sound of "real instruments" - kuribo 10:00:57 09/19/15 (26)

RE: Your assumption that anyone who doesn't agree with your interpretation the sound of "real instruments" - Tre' 10:15:58 09/19/15 (25)

I don't need to be a recording engineer to know what live music sounds like...nt - kuribo 14:20:41 09/19/15 (22)

RE: I don't need to be a recording engineer to know what live music sounds like...nt - Tre' 14:50:55 09/19/15 (21)

Again, the only opinion that matters to me when it comes to matters of subjective taste are my own... - kuribo 14:55:39 09/19/15 (20)

Objective vs Subjective... - mkuller 09:29:01 09/20/15 (5)

His comments make perfect sense - E-Stat 11:48:23 09/20/15 (0)

No, you are the one who doesn't understand... - kuribo 09:47:26 09/20/15 (3)

Blinded by science... - mkuller 10:19:59 09/20/15 (2)

Simply blind... - kuribo 10:36:21 09/20/15 (1)

It's really simple... - mkuller 11:05:54 09/20/15 (0)

RE: Again, the only opinion that matters to me when it comes to matters of subjective taste are my own... - Tre' 15:11:05 09/19/15 (13)

When the goals are subjective, not everyone's "senses" will agree those goals have been met...nt - kuribo 16:50:21 09/19/15 (12)

RE: When the goals are subjective, not everyone's "senses" will agree those goals have been met...nt - Tre' 18:10:08 09/19/15 (11)

What is your definition of high fidelity? "Original" what? - kuribo 18:39:07 09/19/15 (10)

RE: What is your definition of high fidelity? "Original" what? - Tre' 20:09:24 09/19/15 (3)

RE: What is your definition of high fidelity? "Original" what? - kuribo 20:27:51 09/19/15 (2)

RE: What is your definition of high fidelity? "Original" what? - Tre' 20:54:30 09/19/15 (1)

I don't doubt your experience.... - kuribo 21:04:33 09/19/15 (0)

RE: What is your definition of high fidelity? "Original" what? - Garg0yle 18:44:07 09/19/15 (5)

If you want to argue specs, please post yours....you can find ncore specs here: - kuribo 18:50:57 09/19/15 (4)

RE: If you want to argue specs, please post yours....you can find ncore specs here: - Garg0yle 19:16:53 09/19/15 (3)

Enough hand waving. Back up your claims that your SET is objectively superior and post your specs - kuribo 19:21:19 09/19/15 (2)

RE: Enough hand waving. Back up your claims that your SET is objectively superior and post your specs - Garg0yle 19:42:52 09/19/15 (1)

That's what I expected.... - kuribo 19:54:01 09/19/15 (0)

It is a fascinating experience - E-Stat 10:19:39 09/19/15 (1)

RE: It is a fascinating experience - Tre' 10:50:08 09/19/15 (0)

RE: "goals", preferences, the same thing...which is my point....clearly nt everyone agrees on what is best...nt - Garg0yle 08:27:07 09/19/15 (18)

I DON'T BELIEVE THAT - Feanor 10:28:44 09/19/15 (16)

RE: I DON'T BELIEVE THAT - Maxamillion 19:09:59 10/01/15 (1)

RE: I DON'T BELIEVE THAT - jasonpatrickbrowne 12:59:55 11/11/15 (0)

RE: I DON'T BELIEVE THAT - morricab 15:23:46 09/19/15 (2)

If the recording is "flat, grey and sterile" ... - Feanor 05:48:04 09/20/15 (1)

RE: If the recording is "flat, grey and sterile" ... - morricab 03:44:42 09/21/15 (0)

RE: I DON'T BELIEVE THAT - Garg0yle 10:52:41 09/19/15 (10)

RE: I DON'T BELIEVE THAT - Tre' 11:44:54 09/19/15 (9)

RE: I DON'T BELIEVE THAT - morricab 15:26:28 09/19/15 (8)

Let's remember: there is no "live sound" except in the moment - Feanor 05:45:18 09/20/15 (7)

RE: Let's remember: there is no "live sound" except in the moment - morricab 03:57:08 09/21/15 (5)

Which is to say you're only going to hear live sound in the concert hall - Feanor 08:45:42 09/21/15 (1)

RE: Which is to say you're only going to hear live sound in the concert hall - morricab 12:08:59 09/21/15 (0)

RE: Let's remember: there is no "live sound" except in the moment - A.Wayne 04:32:00 09/21/15 (2)

Keep listening....but remember amps make no sound, amps in systems do... - kuribo 05:21:39 09/21/15 (0)

RE: Let's remember: there is no "live sound" except in the moment - morricab 05:04:01 09/21/15 (0)

Bravo! I will add a few more: how many seats are filled in the venue during the performance, - kuribo 07:09:14 09/20/15 (0)

But not everyone chooses to reach that goal in the same way, isn't that obvious? nt - kuribo 08:59:55 09/19/15 (0)

RE: Music is distortion - Garg0yle 04:39:53 09/19/15 (0)

RE: I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - hahax@verizon.net 20:43:04 09/18/15 (14)

RE: I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - morricab 09:42:44 09/19/15 (0)

RE: I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - Garg0yle 21:13:31 09/18/15 (12)

RE: I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - hahax@verizon.net 09:19:21 09/19/15 (9)

RE: I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - Garg0yle 09:31:42 09/19/15 (8)

RE: I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - hahax@verizon.net 12:10:25 09/19/15 (2)

RE: I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - morricab 04:13:14 09/20/15 (1)

RE: I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - hahax@verizon.net 07:53:27 09/20/15 (0)

"While not perfect, it is still better then anything else available" seems you forgot to add IMHO...nt - kuribo 09:42:07 09/19/15 (4)

RE: "While not perfect, it is still better then anything else available" seems you forgot to add IMHO...nt - Garg0yle 09:44:20 09/19/15 (3)

RE: "While not perfect, it is still better then anything else available" seems you forgot to add IMHO...nt - hahax@verizon.net 12:15:35 09/19/15 (2)

RE: "While not perfect, it is still better then anything else available" seems you forgot to add IMHO...nt - morricab 04:19:10 09/20/15 (1)

RE: "While not perfect, it is still better then anything else available" seems you forgot to add IMHO...nt - hahax@verizon.net 07:50:31 09/20/15 (0)

More distortion= more accurate? Not in my world..Many would prefer to not hear any distortion....nt - kuribo 04:38:45 09/19/15 (1)

You have a world? ROTFLMAO - erik 04:55:47 09/19/15 (0)

RE: I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - Jallen 17:58:34 09/18/15 (1)

RE: I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - morricab 09:38:36 09/19/15 (0)

I wonder why there are so many "conceptually wrong" amps? - Feanor 15:25:36 09/18/15 (68)

RE: I wonder why there are so many "conceptually wrong" amps? - Garg0yle 15:58:40 09/18/15 (33)

Many manufacturers AND reviews have apparently been impressed - Feanor 17:13:04 09/18/15 (24)

RE: Many manufacturers AND reviews have apparently been impressed - morricab 09:26:26 09/19/15 (2)

Nothing "wore off" - Feanor 10:24:39 09/19/15 (1)

RE: Nothing "wore off" - morricab 01:30:20 09/20/15 (0)

RE: Many manufacturers AND reviews have apparently been impressed - Disbeliever 23:33:30 09/18/15 (20)

I would certainly consider a class D in the future ... - Feanor 05:52:54 09/19/15 (2)

RE: I would certainly consider a class D in the future ... - morricab 09:28:41 09/19/15 (1)

No and given the price of one "designed correctly" ... - Feanor 10:15:14 09/19/15 (0)

RE: Many manufacturers AND reviews have apparently been impressed - pictureguy 00:17:23 09/19/15 (16)

The tail doesn't wag the dog.... - kuribo 04:41:43 09/19/15 (15)

supply and demand - Inmate51 11:00:35 09/19/15 (0)

RE: The tail doesn't wag the dog.... - pictureguy 08:32:05 09/19/15 (13)

I agree.....simply tossing a module in a box is not the path to long term success.... - kuribo 09:03:29 09/19/15 (12)

That's the majority of Hypex resellers - Jack G 11:52:26 09/19/15 (7)

The trend is towards more OEM added circuitry and away from simply putting a module in a box...nt - kuribo 14:25:43 09/19/15 (6)

Not really - Jack G 14:35:42 09/19/15 (5)

By OEM I meant Bel Canto, Levinson, NAD, Theta, Merrill, M-Sonic, and others who are now - kuribo 14:51:58 09/19/15 (4)

Not really, most are minor tweaks at best - Jack G 15:32:43 09/19/15 (3)

I think you need to look again...or maybe your definition of a minor tweak is different than mine... - kuribo 16:57:58 09/19/15 (2)

I have looked - Jack G 18:09:18 09/19/15 (1)

We will have to differ then on what constitutes a simple tweak...nt - kuribo 18:47:11 09/19/15 (0)

RE: I agree.....simply tossing a module in a box is not the path to long term success.... - pictureguy 11:05:49 09/19/15 (3)

Again, I agree with what you are saying, I am simply saying that it is the demand for these amps - kuribo 14:35:06 09/19/15 (2)

RE: Again, I agree with what you are saying, I am simply saying that it is the demand for these amps - pictureguy 16:53:29 09/19/15 (1)

Precisely! nt - kuribo 17:01:10 09/19/15 (0)

Double standard.... - kuribo 16:05:54 09/18/15 (7)

RE: Double standard.... - Garg0yle 19:07:28 09/18/15 (6)

RE: Double standard.... - morricab 09:31:56 09/19/15 (0)

High-end audio today is about high margins - Feanor 05:59:57 09/19/15 (0)

RE: Double standard.... - kuribo 19:21:06 09/18/15 (3)

RE: Double standard.... - Garg0yle 19:35:02 09/18/15 (2)

Chip amp? - kuribo 20:18:22 09/18/15 (1)

RE: Chip amp? - Garg0yle 20:31:01 09/18/15 (0)

Many of the studies you mention have been discredited... - kuribo 15:48:22 09/18/15 (30)

RE: Many of the studies you mention have been discredited... - A.Wayne 17:16:35 09/18/15 (29)

Judging by the comments on current thread there on negative feedback, - kuribo 17:24:34 09/18/15 (28)

Certainly not Nelson Pass :) - E-Stat 12:31:55 09/20/15 (27)

Maybe you should actually read through the thread before making assumptions.... - kuribo 05:25:55 09/21/15 (26)

Another swing and a miss - E-Stat 05:33:13 09/21/15 (25)

My quote was accurate. And it explains well why he makes a variety of amps... - kuribo 05:43:51 09/21/15 (24)

RE: My quote was accurate. And it explains well why he makes a variety of amps... - Garg0yle 06:44:03 09/21/15 (7)

Is this what you were taught at MIT? - kuribo 14:36:59 09/21/15 (0)

RE: My quote was accurate. And it explains well why he makes a variety of amps... - A.Wayne 07:39:50 09/21/15 (5)

RE: My quote was accurate. And it explains well why he makes a variety of amps... - morricab 12:11:00 09/21/15 (4)

RE: My quote was accurate. And it explains well why he makes a variety of amps... - A.Wayne 12:18:30 09/21/15 (3)

RE: My quote was accurate. And it explains well why he makes a variety of amps... - morricab 01:01:15 09/22/15 (2)

RE: My quote was accurate. And it explains well why he makes a variety of amps... - A.Wayne 01:21:22 09/22/15 (1)

RE: My quote was accurate. And it explains well why he makes a variety of amps... - morricab 06:37:52 09/22/15 (0)

His opinion is quite clear - E-Stat 05:55:57 09/21/15 (15)

He uses feedback, and he also believes amp choices are subjective....case closed. nt - kuribo 06:07:07 09/21/15 (14)

His opinon remains clear - E-Stat 06:29:51 09/21/15 (13)

Get yourself an ncore. It might help you with your issues. nt - kuribo 06:34:57 09/21/15 (12)

Since you like to quote Nelson Pass - E-Stat 08:11:47 09/21/15 (11)

If he had the class d design skills of Bruno Putseys, he might be offering one... - kuribo 05:24:14 09/22/15 (10)

RE: If he had the class d design skills of Bruno Putseys, he might be offering one... - Garg0yle 05:49:33 09/22/15 (9)

Again, Huh? - kuribo 05:59:43 09/22/15 (8)

RE: Again, Huh? - Garg0yle 06:09:20 09/22/15 (7)

There are references - E-Stat 09:35:15 09/22/15 (4)

RE: There are references - Garg0yle 09:42:01 09/22/15 (3)

I noted - E-Stat 09:52:59 09/22/15 (2)

RE: I noted - A.Wayne 10:27:42 09/22/15 (1)

~850 CDs - E-Stat 11:02:01 09/22/15 (0)

RE: Again, Huh? - morricab 06:42:12 09/22/15 (1)

Descriptive product name -nt - E-Stat 09:36:37 09/22/15 (0)

RE: I wonder why there are so many "conceptually wrong" amps? - Jallen 15:48:18 09/18/15 (2)

RE: I wonder why there are so many "conceptually wrong" amps? - Jallen 18:30:13 09/18/15 (0)

I agree completely and would add that the room is also an important part of the system...nt - kuribo 15:54:21 09/18/15 (0)

If you seek perfection in the design of an audio product, you are a party-pooper. - ppopp 11:47:58 09/18/15 (0)

RE: I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - Garg0yle 09:54:13 09/18/15 (1)

RE: I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - morricab 13:05:26 09/18/15 (0)

RE: I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - Inmate51 09:03:15 09/18/15 (2)

RE: I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - morricab 12:59:46 09/18/15 (1)

Equal Temperament - Inmate51 11:12:51 09/19/15 (0)

You have arrived where I was about 25-30 years ago. - Ralph 08:50:48 09/18/15 (13)

RE: You have arrived where I was about 25-30 years ago. - morricab 06:12:27 09/25/15 (12)

Once you get rid of the output transformer - Ralph 08:03:46 09/25/15 (11)

RE: Once you get rid of the output transformer - Banat 03:47:26 09/26/15 (0)

RE: Once you get rid of the output transformer - morricab 12:51:07 09/25/15 (9)

RE: Once you get rid of the output transformer - A.Wayne 13:46:31 09/25/15 (8)

RE: Once you get rid of the output transformer - morricab 13:45:04 09/26/15 (7)

RE: Once you get rid of the output transformer. its all down hill - A.Wayne 15:38:12 09/26/15 (6)

RE: This must be an Error ...... - A.Wayne 15:45:51 09/26/15 (5)

RE: This must be an Error ...... - morricab 13:45:41 09/28/15 (4)

RE: This must be an Error ...... - A.Wayne 13:50:36 09/28/15 (3)

RE: This must be an Error ...... - morricab 08:34:15 09/29/15 (2)

RE: This must be an Error ...... - A.Wayne 11:01:41 09/29/15 (1)

RE: This must be an Error ...... - morricab 14:32:24 09/29/15 (0)

I would say that "single pair" solid state can be as good as single-ended - John Marks 08:21:50 09/18/15 (1)

RE: I would say that "single pair" solid state can be as good as single-ended - morricab 13:13:27 09/18/15 (0)

RE: I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - rick_m 08:18:06 09/18/15 (4)

RE: I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - morricab 13:14:14 09/18/15 (3)

RE: I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - rick_m 18:26:04 09/18/15 (2)

RE: I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - morricab 09:44:33 09/19/15 (1)

RE: I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - A.Wayne 11:02:16 09/19/15 (0)

RE: I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - Dave_K 08:09:03 09/18/15 (3)

RE: I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - morricab 13:07:59 09/18/15 (2)

RE: I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - Dave_K 06:25:41 09/21/15 (0)

RE: I would say nearly all amplifier designs are conceptually WRONG! - hahax@verizon.net 20:19:29 09/19/15 (0)

How are you backing up this ridiculosu claim? - 3db 05:41:07 09/18/15 (33)

I serious recommend you read up. - Ralph 09:34:45 09/18/15 (32)

RE: I serious recommend you read up. - 3db 10:00:28 09/18/15 (3)

What claims?- I just suggested you read up as you obviously have some gaps in your education - Ralph 12:48:30 09/18/15 (2)

Has Crowhurst's work been peer reviewed and replicated? - Feanor 17:15:07 09/18/15 (1)

Crowhurst was published by Sam's Technical Publishing. His works are very well known. - Ralph 11:08:23 09/21/15 (0)

RE: I serious recommend you read up ... But. - A.Wayne 09:55:04 09/18/15 (27)

load impedance is a problem for any amp if you want the best reproduction - Ralph 12:06:50 09/18/15 (26)

RE: load impedance is a problem for any amp if you want the best reproduction - A.Wayne 12:41:56 09/18/15 (25)

There's more than one way to do that... - Ralph 13:04:12 09/18/15 (23)

What exactly are "trace" amounts and can you define your metric for "brightness and harshness" - kuribo 19:52:37 09/23/15 (10)

Just as a FWIW: there is no such thing as objectivity in audio - Ralph 10:12:12 09/24/15 (9)

7th Harmonic - Inmate51 14:48:11 09/24/15 (8)

Yes- it really is that simple. The 7th tone in a scale is a dissonance - Ralph 15:04:12 09/24/15 (7)

RE: Yes- it really is that simple. The 7th tone in a scale is a dissonance - morricab 13:52:38 09/28/15 (6)

RE: Yes- it really is that simple. The 7th tone in a scale is a dissonance - A.Wayne 13:57:04 09/28/15 (5)

RE: Yes- it really is that simple. The 7th tone in a scale is a dissonance - morricab 04:13:28 09/30/15 (4)

RE: Yes- it really is that simple. The 7th tone in a scale is a dissonance - A.Wayne 06:59:15 09/30/15 (3)

RE: Yes- it really is that simple. The 7th tone in a scale is a dissonance - morricab 07:12:46 09/30/15 (2)

RE: Yes- it really is that simple. The 7th tone in a scale is a dissonance - Inmate51 07:54:23 09/30/15 (1)

RE: Yes- it really is that simple. The 7th tone in a scale is a dissonance - morricab 08:24:31 10/01/15 (0)

RE: There's more than one way to do that... - A.Wayne 13:09:05 09/18/15 (11)

RE: There's more than one way to do that... - Ralph 13:40:19 09/18/15 (9)

Sensitivity to load....class d...not an issue.... - kuribo 20:01:38 09/23/15 (5)

you missed the point entirely... nt - Ralph 10:13:07 09/24/15 (3)

Really? - kuribo 13:26:48 09/24/15 (2)

You missed the point. - Ralph 15:01:00 09/24/15 (1)

RE: You missed the point. - kuribo 15:11:52 09/24/15 (0)

RE: Sensitivity to load....class d...not an issue.... - Garg0yle 21:02:54 09/23/15 (0)

RE: There's more than one way to do that... - Banat 16:35:34 09/18/15 (0)

RE: There's more than one way to do that... - A.Wayne 14:32:56 09/18/15 (1)

So are you saying that an amp should work really hard to sound its best? - Ralph 13:52:11 09/21/15 (0)

RE: There's more than one way to do that... - morricab 13:12:12 09/18/15 (0)

RE: load impedance is a problem for any amp if you want the best reproduction - morricab 12:56:15 09/18/15 (0)

RE: Morri, Appreciate the effort, Dats some deep S*** , Conceptually WRONG ? - A.Wayne 05:14:32 09/18/15 (37)

RE: Morri, Appreciate the effort, Dats some deep S*** , Conceptually WRONG ? - morricab 12:34:57 09/18/15 (7)

RE: Morri, Appreciate the effort, Dats some deep S*** , Conceptually WRONG ? - A.Wayne 12:53:16 09/18/15 (6)

RE: Morri, Appreciate the effort, Dats some deep S*** , Conceptually WRONG ? - morricab 13:19:03 09/18/15 (2)

RE: Lamm ..? - A.Wayne 13:21:18 09/18/15 (1)

RE: Lamm ..? - morricab 13:24:13 09/18/15 (0)

RE: Morri, Appreciate the effort, Dats some deep S*** , Conceptually WRONG ? - morricab 13:04:45 09/18/15 (2)

RE: Morri, Appreciate the effort, Dats some deep S*** , Conceptually WRONG ? - A.Wayne 13:13:02 09/18/15 (1)

RE: Morri, Appreciate the effort, Dats some deep S*** , Conceptually WRONG ? - morricab 13:18:28 09/18/15 (0)

RE: Morri, Appreciate the effort, Dats some deep S*** , Conceptually WRONG ? - Garg0yle 10:06:27 09/18/15 (21)

RE: Morri, Appreciate the effort, Dats some deep S*** , Conceptually WRONG ? - Dave_K 12:19:44 09/18/15 (14)

RE: Morri, Appreciate the effort, Dats some deep S*** , Conceptually WRONG ? - morricab 12:40:44 09/18/15 (13)

RE: Morri, Appreciate the effort, Dats some deep S*** , Conceptually WRONG ? - Dave_K 06:21:47 09/21/15 (12)

RE: Morri, Appreciate the effort, Dats some deep S*** , Conceptually WRONG ? - morricab 08:55:00 09/21/15 (11)

If "extended treble" really means excess treble, then I agree - Dave_K 14:25:35 09/21/15 (7)

RE: If "extended treble" really means excess treble, then I agree - morricab 06:54:04 09/22/15 (6)

CS 2.4 and 3.7 - Dave_K 14:57:43 09/22/15 (4)

RE: CS 2.4 and 3.7 - A.Wayne 15:36:47 09/22/15 (3)

Right - Dave_K 16:49:31 09/22/15 (1)

RE: Right - Inmate51 18:07:10 09/22/15 (0)

Getting off into other areas - Inmate51 16:04:20 09/22/15 (0)

RE: CS 3.7 - A.Wayne 10:46:32 09/22/15 (0)

RE: Morri, Appreciate the effort, Dats some deep S*** , Conceptually WRONG ? - A.Wayne 10:27:20 09/21/15 (2)

RE: Morri, Appreciate the effort, Dats some deep S*** , Conceptually WRONG ? - morricab 12:21:14 09/21/15 (1)

RE: Morri, Appreciate the effort, Dats some deep S*** , Conceptually WRONG ? - A.Wayne 12:26:54 09/21/15 (0)

RE: Morri, Appreciate the effort, Dats some deep S*** , Conceptually WRONG ? - A.Wayne 10:43:56 09/18/15 (5)

RE: Morri, Appreciate the effort, Dats some deep S*** , Conceptually WRONG ? - morricab 12:42:08 09/18/15 (3)

RE: Morri, Appreciate the effort, Dats some deep S*** , Conceptually WRONG ? - morricab 12:49:53 09/18/15 (2)

RE: Morri, Appreciate the effort, Dats some deep S*** , Conceptually WRONG ? - A.Wayne 12:59:48 09/18/15 (1)

RE: Morri, Appreciate the effort, Dats some deep S*** , Conceptually WRONG ? - morricab 13:10:20 09/18/15 (0)

RE: Morri, Appreciate the effort, Dats some deep S*** , Conceptually WRONG ? - Garg0yle 11:00:53 09/18/15 (0)

RE: No links to ..? - A.Wayne 09:16:58 09/18/15 (1)

RE: No links to ..? - A.Wayne 09:42:21 09/18/15 (0)

Yeah, there is that.... - kuribo 06:19:31 09/18/15 (4)

RE: Yeah, there is that.... - 3db 07:45:09 09/18/15 (3)

RE: Yeah, there is that.... - morricab 13:22:56 09/18/15 (2)

RE: Yeah, there is that.... - A.Wayne 13:34:08 09/18/15 (1)

RE: Yeah, there is that.... - morricab 05:02:06 09/21/15 (0)

Follow Ups

At what level are these sidebands inaudible? - kuribo 08:02:48 09/19/15 (13)

RE: At what level are these sidebands inaudible? - Garg0yle 08:30:52 09/19/15 (12)

You haven't answered my question...at what level do sidebands become inaudible? - kuribo 08:39:20 09/19/15 (11)

RE: You haven't answered my question...at what level do sidebands become inaudible? - Garg0yle 09:04:18 09/19/15 (0)

RE: You haven't answered my question...at what level do sidebands become inaudible? - Garg0yle 08:43:27 09/19/15 (9)

By specifying a zero level you are saying the human ear is infinitely sensitive..oookaaaay. LOL! - kuribo 08:51:16 09/19/15 (8)

RE: By specifying a zero level you are saying the human ear is infinitely sensitive..oookaaaay. LOL! - Garg0yle 09:08:50 09/19/15 (7)

I asked at what level the sidebands become inaudible. You said 0.000% that means - kuribo 09:16:04 09/19/15 (6)

The secret to "good" sound ISN'T 0% higher order sidebands ... - Feanor 10:55:53 09/20/15 (5)

RE: The secret to "good" sound ISN'T 0% higher order sidebands ... - morricab 11:55:37 09/20/15 (2)

RE: The secret to "good" sound ISN'T 0% higher order sidebands ... - A.Wayne 12:17:31 09/20/15 (1)

RE: The secret to "good" sound ISN'T 0% higher order sidebands ... - morricab 08:49:24 09/21/15 (0)

RE: The secret to "good" sound ISN'T 0% higher order sidebands ... - Garg0yle 11:17:41 09/20/15 (1)

It's all subjective. Tastes differ. No one has found any magic rule that fits everyone....and there are amps - kuribo 13:04:53 09/20/15 (0)

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