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In Reply to: Music may be distortion, but to reproduce the SIGNAL, ADDING distortion does not equal adding music... posted by kuribo on September 19, 2015 at 04:48:24:
Virtually all of the sort of amps favored by Morricab have have high levels of 2nd order distortion, especially at high frequencies and higher output levels.
You might be comparing SETs with 2% or higher 2nd order distortion versus SS or class D amps with .01% or less Total HD. Assuming you think the SETs sound better -- which might be purely personal preference that not everybody shares -- it needs to proven that it's the vanishingly low high-order rather than high 2nd that is making the SET sound "better".
NOT the 51st state, eh!?!
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- Well put: is it lack of "bad" distortion or the addition of "good" distortion - Feanor 06:12:26 09/19/15 (105)
- RE: Well put: is it lack of "bad" distortion or the addition of "good" distortion - morricab 09:22:20 09/19/15 (1)
- Well said. (nt) - Tre' 14:18:45 09/19/15 (0)
- RE: Well put: is it lack of "bad" distortion or the addition of "good" distortion - Garg0yle 07:59:16 09/19/15 (14)
- At what level are these sidebands inaudible? - kuribo 08:02:48 09/19/15 (13)
- RE: At what level are these sidebands inaudible? - Garg0yle 08:30:52 09/19/15 (12)
- You haven't answered my question...at what level do sidebands become inaudible? - kuribo 08:39:20 09/19/15 (11)
- RE: You haven't answered my question...at what level do sidebands become inaudible? - Garg0yle 09:04:18 09/19/15 (0)
- RE: You haven't answered my question...at what level do sidebands become inaudible? - Garg0yle 08:43:27 09/19/15 (9)
- By specifying a zero level you are saying the human ear is infinitely sensitive..oookaaaay. LOL! - kuribo 08:51:16 09/19/15 (8)
- RE: By specifying a zero level you are saying the human ear is infinitely sensitive..oookaaaay. LOL! - Garg0yle 09:08:50 09/19/15 (7)
- I asked at what level the sidebands become inaudible. You said 0.000% that means - kuribo 09:16:04 09/19/15 (6)
- The secret to "good" sound ISN'T 0% higher order sidebands ... - Feanor 10:55:53 09/20/15 (5)
- RE: The secret to "good" sound ISN'T 0% higher order sidebands ... - morricab 11:55:37 09/20/15 (2)
- RE: The secret to "good" sound ISN'T 0% higher order sidebands ... - A.Wayne 12:17:31 09/20/15 (1)
- RE: The secret to "good" sound ISN'T 0% higher order sidebands ... - morricab 08:49:24 09/21/15 (0)
- RE: The secret to "good" sound ISN'T 0% higher order sidebands ... - Garg0yle 11:17:41 09/20/15 (1)
- It's all subjective. Tastes differ. No one has found any magic rule that fits everyone....and there are amps - kuribo 13:04:53 09/20/15 (0)
- True, but isn't the crux of the matter the fallacy that mine is "better" than yours - kuribo 06:29:18 09/19/15 (87)
- RE: True, but isn't the crux of the matter the fallacy that mine is "better" than yours - Tre' 08:07:21 09/19/15 (86)
- "goals", preferences, the same thing...which is my point....clearly nt everyone agrees on what is best...nt - kuribo 08:21:54 09/19/15 (85)
- RE: "goals", preferences, the same thing...which is my point....clearly nt everyone agrees on what is best...nt - Tre' 08:38:59 09/19/15 (65)
- The worst kind of arrogance... - kuribo 08:58:27 09/19/15 (64)
- RE: The worst kind of arrogance... - Tre' 10:04:56 09/19/15 (34)
- It's got nothing to do with liking or disliking live music. It's about - kuribo 10:12:51 09/19/15 (33)
- RE: It's got nothing to do with liking or disliking live music. It's about - Tre' 10:43:29 09/19/15 (32)
- Get over what? Pretty big "if" there, don't you think? Have you been the re on every recording made? nt - kuribo 14:16:11 09/19/15 (2)
- RE: Get over what? Pretty big "if" there, don't you think? Have you been the re on every recording made? nt - Tre' 14:28:21 09/19/15 (1)
- When it comes to what I think sounds best, I don't need anyone else's opinion... - kuribo 14:38:07 09/19/15 (0)
- Second Class Audiophiles - Tony Lauck 12:10:48 09/19/15 (28)
- Even those who spend their entire life listening to recordings" don't agree...nt - kuribo 14:17:48 09/19/15 (5)
- RE: Even those who spend their entire life listening to recordings" don't agree...nt - Tre' 14:23:03 09/19/15 (4)
- But they do argue, don't they? nt - kuribo 14:27:21 09/19/15 (3)
- RE: But they do argue, don't they? nt - Tre' 14:32:53 09/19/15 (2)
- Back to my system again.... - kuribo 14:46:09 09/19/15 (1)
- RE: Back to my system again.... - Tre' 15:01:08 09/19/15 (0)
- RE: Second Class Audiophiles - Tre' 12:44:33 09/19/15 (21)
- RE: Second Class Audiophiles - A.Wayne 13:27:06 09/19/15 (20)
- RE: Second Class Audiophiles - Tre' 13:46:10 09/19/15 (19)
- According to Nelson Pass, "It's not brain surgery, it's entertainment"...nt - kuribo 14:19:23 09/19/15 (18)
- RE: According to Nelson Pass, "It's not brain surgery, it's entertainment"...nt - Tre' 14:40:07 09/19/15 (17)
- Another Pass quote that seems apropo.... - kuribo 19:33:36 09/19/15 (0)
- It is unobtainable, and it is entertaining, we can agree on that...nt - kuribo 14:47:28 09/19/15 (15)
- Well I'm glad we found something to agree on. (nt) - Tre' 15:12:09 09/19/15 (14)
- Me too...to answer your earlier question... - kuribo 16:45:35 09/19/15 (13)
- The bottom line... - mkuller 22:33:07 09/19/15 (1)
- I haven't made any claims that my amp is "best" - kuribo 04:44:18 09/20/15 (0)
- RE: Me too...to answer your earlier question... - Tre' 17:49:31 09/19/15 (10)
- RE: Me too...to answer your earlier question... - A.Wayne 17:56:42 09/19/15 (9)
- RE: Me too...to answer your earlier question... - Tre' 18:05:57 09/19/15 (8)
- RE: Me too...to answer your earlier question... - kuribo 18:25:59 09/19/15 (7)
- Of course... - Tre' 19:34:36 09/19/15 (6)
- Are you referring to the ncore specs? Is so, did you see this note? - kuribo 19:42:18 09/19/15 (5)
- RE: Are you referring to the ncore specs? Is so, did you see this note? - Tre' 20:29:39 09/19/15 (4)
- Look here at page 8, 4 lines down from the top, in bold: - kuribo 20:38:24 09/19/15 (3)
- RE: Look here at page 8, 4 lines down from the top, in bold: - Tre' 21:07:51 09/19/15 (2)
- The only thing that matters... - mkuller 09:23:01 09/20/15 (1)
- Which is subjective and we're back to you can't argue taste... - kuribo 09:30:33 09/20/15 (0)
- RE: The worst kind of arrogance... - Tre' 09:53:48 09/19/15 (28)
- Yup- how does that saying go? - Ralph 14:36:45 09/21/15 (0)
- Your assumption that anyone who doesn't agree with your interpretation the sound of "real instruments" - kuribo 10:00:57 09/19/15 (26)
- RE: Your assumption that anyone who doesn't agree with your interpretation the sound of "real instruments" - Tre' 10:15:58 09/19/15 (25)
- I don't need to be a recording engineer to know what live music sounds like...nt - kuribo 14:20:41 09/19/15 (22)
- RE: I don't need to be a recording engineer to know what live music sounds like...nt - Tre' 14:50:55 09/19/15 (21)
- Again, the only opinion that matters to me when it comes to matters of subjective taste are my own... - kuribo 14:55:39 09/19/15 (20)
- Objective vs Subjective... - mkuller 09:29:01 09/20/15 (5)
- His comments make perfect sense - E-Stat 11:48:23 09/20/15 (0)
- No, you are the one who doesn't understand... - kuribo 09:47:26 09/20/15 (3)
- Blinded by science... - mkuller 10:19:59 09/20/15 (2)
- Simply blind... - kuribo 10:36:21 09/20/15 (1)
- It's really simple... - mkuller 11:05:54 09/20/15 (0)
- RE: Again, the only opinion that matters to me when it comes to matters of subjective taste are my own... - Tre' 15:11:05 09/19/15 (13)
- When the goals are subjective, not everyone's "senses" will agree those goals have been met...nt - kuribo 16:50:21 09/19/15 (12)
- RE: When the goals are subjective, not everyone's "senses" will agree those goals have been met...nt - Tre' 18:10:08 09/19/15 (11)
- What is your definition of high fidelity? "Original" what? - kuribo 18:39:07 09/19/15 (10)
- RE: What is your definition of high fidelity? "Original" what? - Tre' 20:09:24 09/19/15 (3)
- RE: What is your definition of high fidelity? "Original" what? - kuribo 20:27:51 09/19/15 (2)
- RE: What is your definition of high fidelity? "Original" what? - Tre' 20:54:30 09/19/15 (1)
- I don't doubt your experience.... - kuribo 21:04:33 09/19/15 (0)
- RE: What is your definition of high fidelity? "Original" what? - Garg0yle 18:44:07 09/19/15 (5)
- If you want to argue specs, please post yours....you can find ncore specs here: - kuribo 18:50:57 09/19/15 (4)
- RE: If you want to argue specs, please post yours....you can find ncore specs here: - Garg0yle 19:16:53 09/19/15 (3)
- Enough hand waving. Back up your claims that your SET is objectively superior and post your specs - kuribo 19:21:19 09/19/15 (2)
- RE: Enough hand waving. Back up your claims that your SET is objectively superior and post your specs - Garg0yle 19:42:52 09/19/15 (1)
- That's what I expected.... - kuribo 19:54:01 09/19/15 (0)
- It is a fascinating experience - E-Stat 10:19:39 09/19/15 (1)
- RE: It is a fascinating experience - Tre' 10:50:08 09/19/15 (0)
- RE: "goals", preferences, the same thing...which is my point....clearly nt everyone agrees on what is best...nt - Garg0yle 08:27:07 09/19/15 (18)
- I DON'T BELIEVE THAT - Feanor 10:28:44 09/19/15 (16)
- RE: I DON'T BELIEVE THAT - Maxamillion 19:09:59 10/01/15 (1)
- RE: I DON'T BELIEVE THAT - jasonpatrickbrowne 12:59:55 11/11/15 (0)
- RE: I DON'T BELIEVE THAT - morricab 15:23:46 09/19/15 (2)
- If the recording is "flat, grey and sterile" ... - Feanor 05:48:04 09/20/15 (1)
- RE: If the recording is "flat, grey and sterile" ... - morricab 03:44:42 09/21/15 (0)
- RE: I DON'T BELIEVE THAT - Garg0yle 10:52:41 09/19/15 (10)
- RE: I DON'T BELIEVE THAT - Tre' 11:44:54 09/19/15 (9)
- RE: I DON'T BELIEVE THAT - morricab 15:26:28 09/19/15 (8)
- Let's remember: there is no "live sound" except in the moment - Feanor 05:45:18 09/20/15 (7)
- RE: Let's remember: there is no "live sound" except in the moment - morricab 03:57:08 09/21/15 (5)
- Which is to say you're only going to hear live sound in the concert hall - Feanor 08:45:42 09/21/15 (1)
- RE: Which is to say you're only going to hear live sound in the concert hall - morricab 12:08:59 09/21/15 (0)
- RE: Let's remember: there is no "live sound" except in the moment - A.Wayne 04:32:00 09/21/15 (2)
- Keep listening....but remember amps make no sound, amps in systems do... - kuribo 05:21:39 09/21/15 (0)
- RE: Let's remember: there is no "live sound" except in the moment - morricab 05:04:01 09/21/15 (0)
- Bravo! I will add a few more: how many seats are filled in the venue during the performance, - kuribo 07:09:14 09/20/15 (0)
- But not everyone chooses to reach that goal in the same way, isn't that obvious? nt - kuribo 08:59:55 09/19/15 (0)