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In Reply to: Do tube amps generally lack bass slam when compaered to Solid State amps? posted by Hyfi on May 4, 2009 at 07:36:17:
Tubes will make more power into higher impedances, transistors will make more power into lower impedances.
The lower the speaker impedance, the more important it is to keep you speaker cables short!! If you have a low speaker impedance and long speaker cables, don't expect a lot of bass of a tube amp.
Transistors will often have punch but not a lot of definition. Tube amps tend to have definition but often less 'punch'. This is a generality, not a hard and fast rule! Bass, like all other frequencies, actually has both aspects. So an amp lacking one is deficient, regardless of which aspect it lacks.
Real bass, the kind that you hear in live situations, does not have 'tight' bass often associated with transistors. It simply is what it is. IOW, if you experience 'tight' bass with all your recordings, the likelihood is high that you are experiencing a coloration.
To get tubes to play impact in the bass region, you need a speaker that expects the characteristic of tube amps (often a higher impedance is helpful), that is to say, the characteristic of making constant power regardless of load impedance.
To get transistors to play bass, the speaker should expect that the amp will make constant **voltage** into any load. Often a lower impedance is employed (B&W 802 is a good example).
Neither amp type will succeed at these conflicting ideals (power vs voltage)- that is merely the ideal for either camp.
Tubes are thus on a 'Power Paradigm', transistors are on a 'Voltage Paradigm' and speakers are designed to work under the rules of one of the two paradigms, but rarely both. Anytime you mix the two paradigms (IOW- a speaker that is expecting tube characteristics as opposed to transistor) you will get a tonal anomoly. For more info see:
http://www.atma-sphere.com/papers/paradigm_paper2.html
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Follow Ups
- No. It is a matter of equipment matching. - Ralph 14:49:25 05/05/09 (15)
- I have found something a bit different - morricab 04:50:42 05/07/09 (1)
- We are in complete agreement - Ralph 09:53:24 05/07/09 (0)
- RE: No. It is a matter of equipment matching. - mingles 23:21:53 05/05/09 (10)
- RE: No. It is a matter of equipment matching. - jimmycj 19:53:25 05/08/09 (0)
- speaker cable lengths vs speaker impedance - Ralph 08:05:11 05/06/09 (8)
- RE: speaker cable lengths vs speaker impedance - mingles 09:05:38 05/06/09 (3)
- RE: Yes. - Ralph 11:44:59 05/06/09 (2)
- RE: Yes. - mingles 22:22:56 05/06/09 (1)
- I run 25 feet and its Mogami Neglex - Ralph 09:42:51 05/07/09 (0)
- Could be one of my problems - Hyfi 08:31:15 05/06/09 (3)
- RE: Could be one of my problems - l1945@sbcglobal.net 09:32:27 05/06/09 (2)
- Will you be selling the Gronenbergs? - Hyfi 10:09:09 05/06/09 (1)
- RE: Will you be selling the Gronenbergs? - l1945@sbcglobal.net 11:21:02 05/06/09 (0)
- You are absolutely correct............. - kentaja 16:24:51 05/05/09 (1)
- Great info from all - Hyfi 08:20:42 05/06/09 (0)