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Those European box collections

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Posted on January 18, 2024 at 10:03:28
SamA
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Been in Spain the last few days and dropped by a music store this afternoon. I was surprised at the number of CD sets of jazz artists ... And I picked a piano jazz collection of 20 albums on 10 discs. Bill Evans, Monk, Jamal, Bud Powell, Horace Silver, Cecil taylor, Red Garland... And some artists I didn't know like Jutta Hipp, Joe Tristano, Elmo Hope.

The few albums I checked on line againt matched the original track listings. So no bonus material. But the package plugs many holes in my collection and at under 20 euros (about $21) or a buck an album, I'm pleased and will look for more while here the next few days.

Of course, the key is how they sound and I won't know that til I get home. Stay tuned!

 

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RE: Those European box collections, posted on January 18, 2024 at 10:56:09
Mike K
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My experience in the past with such collections is that they are pretty good. And the price is definitely right. A lot of the music will never be released by the owning label over here, so we have to get it where we find it.

Lack of skill dictates economy of style. - Joey Ramone

 

RE: Those European box collections, posted on January 18, 2024 at 16:21:40
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SQ is one concern, but intellectual/artistic property rights is another. Many small European reissue labels do not pay artist or their estates royalties for the use of copyrighted materials.


"Anyone who understands jazz knows that you can't understand it. It's too complicated. That's what's so simple about it." - Yogi Berra.

Cpwill

 

RE: Those European box collections, posted on January 18, 2024 at 17:48:12
Mike K
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European copyright law provides for much shorter copyright times than does US law. Thus, a European company issuing USA created material in Europe is strictly within the bounds of European law.

My problem with the Europeans is that they will use USA made and licensed box sets from which to issue their own box sets. This happens to Mosaic all the time. Mosaic puts in the time and effort and pays the fees, and then gets ripped off by the Europeans. Note that Bear Family licences ALL their material from USA copyright holders.

USA copyright holders don't seem to care that European made box sets get imported to USA. Maybe the USA copyright holders should work to prevent these "pirated" works from entering USA.

I've never felt USA copyright protections should extend beyond about 25 years or the life of the artist, whichever comes first. If you can't make your money in 25 years, well maybe your "art" is not so very good.

Lack of skill dictates economy of style. - Joey Ramone

 

RE: Those European box collections, posted on January 19, 2024 at 06:15:53
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As a retired architect, I am quite attuned to copyright issues. It is nearly impossible and quite expensive to protect against theft of ones designs. As to musical artists, why shouldn't artists and their estates be able to profit from their creations. After 25 years, if their is enough demand for their work to be an issue, then their "art" is VERY GOOD.

I take my hat off to folks like Zev Feldman of Jazz Detectives, who works closely with artists and their offspring and painstakingly restores/remasters the original tapes to produce LPs and CDs of outstanding SQ.

Ciao,


"Anyone who understands jazz knows that you can't understand it. It's too complicated. That's what's so simple about it." - Yogi Berra.

Cpwill

 

Followup, posted on January 24, 2024 at 06:08:04
SamA
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FWIW, I'm home from Spain and have sampled a couple of the albums from "The Art of The Piano."

So far, the sound quality is impressive. In fact, I compared Waltz for Debby - Bill Evans from the European collection to my Original Jazz Classics CD and I prefer the European collection version. To my ear, it just sounds better!

As to the comment about artist royalties... I bought my set at a legitimate department store in Madrid and assume a profit is being made and shared with all appropriate parties. I'd like to know more.

At any rate, about $20 for 20 albums in good sound is a good bargain in my book.

 

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