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In Reply to: RE: Springs posted by Mendel on June 25, 2023 at 15:48:12
I seriously question your suggestion that replacing the tuned frequency steel springs with a completely different elastomeric response would improve the sound. Just because a spring is " bouncy" does not mean that is a flaw that must be corrected. As A mater of fact, I see eliminating the bounce as the only thing this product achieves, and have never heard of the suspension response being a known sonic problem that must be corrected.I have no issue with people that want to modify stuff for just the heck of it. Millions of dollars of automobile air intakes are sold for just that reason, although some buyers might believe the pie in the sky promises on the box, forgetting that modern cars have everything interdependently computer tuned for maximum efficiency, and that changing the intake length will probably only lessen efficiency.
My main beef with " Pete's Pylons" is that they originally were constructed using the endangered ebony wood, which hit me as completely irresponsible. I also felt the product claims were completely irresponsible without any supporting testing , given that this approach and materials were well known at the time Michell designed the product, and he made other choices .
But , who can say the price of happiness. According to the web site, best product ever.
Edits: 06/28/23Follow Ups:
Well you are certainly entitled to your opinion, but considering you have not heard the o ring suspension vs the springs on your own table, I seriously question the validity of that opinion.
On the other hand, I have actually heard both suspensions on my Orbe, and have gone back and forth between the two several times (it only takes about an hour to switch between them). I find the Oring suspension provides a clearer, more detailed presentation with tighter bass and better defined soundstage. The metal springed Orbe sounds airier, more diffuse and more boomy in the bass.
I can assure you I took on this modification to increase the sound quality of my turntable, after talking with others who have done it, not just "for the heck of it".
Practically, I found I was always fiddling with the springs, trying to get the "perfect bounce" with no sideways movement and never really felt confident that I had it perfectly set up. I don't think they can be perfectly set up, despite Mitchell's instructions that the bounce must be vertical to get optimal performance from the tables. The Orings are set and forget. I would never go back, but the Gyro and Orbe are still great tables stock, and if you are happy then just enjoy the music.
Cheers!
my concern in posting was not to have anyone think the recommended product had unquestioned results, since, to my knowledge the suspension has never been incorporated by Michell at any time , is not patented , and is not offered on the Mitchell site as an upgrade, although a tone arm isolation strategy not devised by Michell is offered on the site, so incorporating outside ideas is not unknown with this company.After all, if it improves the product, offering an aftermarket improvement would only increase revenues.
And, after so many years on the market, it would seem a simple thing to provide some testing showing specific measurable performance improvement using the pylons.
perhaps the posters original springs were damaged or installed incorrectly, because once I got the base level, correctly setting the springs was easy and gave stable results for me. Because of the sprung suspension, I did have to use a laser line for a no touch level platter measurement. I can't imaging what would make the springs go constantly out of adjustment, since they are not really designed to travel, like a cars active suspension would , instead they just hang, preferably inertly.I have heard of other people saying the suspension is tricky, but I never could figure why, unless one has OCD and can't leave a final result alone.
Edits: 07/06/23
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