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A few months ago, I went back to the late Unclestu's Audiodirections website that is archived and came across something that he touched on and I had always seen on his racks since he reopened a brick and mortar shop back on Black Friday (day after Thanksgiving) 2012. I don't know why the times I went to his shop I never talked about the tuning forks he had on the ends of his racks. Guess I just thought those were expensive doo dads because I had in mind that they were heavy and so just blew it off.In the article below, he mentioned about the positives on getting a tuning fork tuned close to 120hz. He specifically said 128 hz provided improvements, and so I was thinking hmm, how much are these 128hz tuning forks...so went on Amazon and Ebay to check out the pricing...wow, inexpensive like about $5-$6 each. For the total pricing, heck..i'll get two of the 128hz. This was about 1 1/2 months ago when I got the tuning forks.
When it arrived, I was unsure as to why and how lightweight they were... perhaps 4-7 ounces each ? and now I wondered how am i to attach it to my Pangea Audio racks? Well, I had a small spruce board rectangular block laying around and so I made a hole with the tip ends of the scissors so that the tuning fork could stand vertically and not fall down... damaging any of my equipment or tubes. There was some give so the fork was slightly loose --- if there was any changes to be made to the hole when playing my music I'd modify the hole or make another smaller hole so the fork could be seated more securely.
Stu says to place it close to the transformer.. since my Quicksilver Mid-Mono amps were on the top most of one of the racks, I placed the tuning fork/spruce board next to the transformer. It was not positioned in any way to be precisely or even close to being in the middle between my two Ohm Speakers...it was offset slightly to the right side.
With my tubed system warmed up about 15 minutes, I played an lp album --- my reaction: yes, my jaw dropped !... like wth ? wow ! It sounded clearer, dynamic, and focused with a deeper soundstage !
As I was playing the album, I played around with removing the board/fork off the rack and then putting it back on ! Definitely could tell a difference when it was there on the rack ! After a few records played over the few weeks, I noticed that I've had to lower my volume control on my EE Minimax preamp as the sound became more dynamic even though a couple of months earlier I bought a Nagaoka mp-200 stylus to replace the stylus on my also brand new mp-150 cartridge. The mp-200 stylus had a lower output (4.0mV) vs. the mp-150 stylus (4.5mV).
Over the weeks, I tried adding the second tuning fork onto the same spruce board but angled differently (N-S) vs. (E-W) along with placing it in the same orientation direction like the original fork. For my area in my living room, it kinda was too much and so I removed that one and just left one. YMMV.
This was one tweak that was like the topping on the cake of all my other tweaks, and to think..it ONLY cost around $5.00 !
I don't know if it'll work on your system.. i think it will as it elevated the sound on my system ! Experiment with the placement...
I saw he did discuss it back in 2011 and even earlier on AA Tweaks with some other people.
How I miss Stewart !
Below is Unclestu's blog from about 7 years ago... the pic of Unclestu's rack with the two forks on either side of the rack at the extreme top of all pictures are from his website.
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TUNING FORKS AND AUDIO
This is one of the most unusual tweaks we have developed.We place a tuning fork tuned to low C, about 128 Hz on the metal uprights of our racks. It really helps the sound, making things sound noticeably clearer and focused.
Apparently tuning forks will start to vibrate if their resonant frequency is present. A 128 hz fork is set about double the line AC frequency (60 Hz in the US and North America). Since many forks have tuneable hammers, I moved mine out a a bit to get a range closer to 120 Hz, double the line AC. The 120 Hz is actually the fundamental resonant frequency of the rectified AC.The resulting sound is clearer, more dynamic and reveals finer nuances in the music. Apparently the forks actually absorb some of the 60 and 120 Hz resonance and in dissipating some of that energy into the air, pulls that energy from the components themselves.
This was discovered by accident as I was experimenting with something I had read on the net, whereby one could place a tuning fork against a speaker cabinet while playing music and when the fork started to resonate, it would indicate where damping was needed. The idea didn't work for me, maybe because I wasn't using a steady test tone, but in placing the forks in the ends of the rack for convenience while experimenting, I noticed that the sound had improved.
These forks are a part of every doctor's little black bag, and they use it to test for skull fractures, apparently. Very few ever use it today and maybe if you ask your physician, he may give his to you (if he can remember where he put it !). Average cost seems to be about $5 to $6.
It works best close to components with the largest transformers: typically the power amps. But it does work everywhere.....
The power transformers which form the heart of many components, all work off the 60 Hz line voltage. Thus many metal type racks are then magnetically coupled, via induction, to the line frequency. This magnetic induction can be significantly reduced by placing small magnets on the various bars of a rack. This will resist the flow of magnetic fields and confine them to a smaller area. Again in reducing the magnetic induction, the result is superior sound; better detail and nuance.
Magnets are NOT recommended on Turntable stands, however, as the cartridge will be affected by the magnetic field of the magnet.
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A second tuning fork is now secured to the amplifier shelf. This has provided an improvement in spades. New purity to the sound structure building on robust bass clarity. Provides a sense of greater dynamic range to music.
Now I need to figure out how to explain to the wife how two 128hz tuning forks improves the audio system.
yeah, I put my second fork back in almost three weeks ago after my initial post (as I hated to see the 2nd fork not do anything) and re-listened again and found it to be better than one fork in my tubed system.
Glad it worked out for you ! A cheap tweak !
The tuning fork I got did seem to improve things. This was on the amp which is outside of the 'rack'. I have ordered another fork to stick in the back of the rack, which will have more to work with (absorb).
I actually found a vintage steel tuning fork at 128 (adjustable) for the 'rack'. It will be interesting to see if the steel is different than the aluminum. I expect it might be (steel vintage aluminum new). Will take a couple of weeks shipping to get here, so patience is the order of the day......
Well, being science oriented as I am I must point out that spruce itself can and would probably effect the sound along with the added weight of the tuning fork. One could a-b just the spruce and then a-b the spruce with say coins that weighed the same as the tuning fork. Aspheric used a clamp and a clamp alone would almost certainly alter the sound of a piece of equipment.
Love the brass. What are the white tube dampers and how come you don't have them on the other tubes? I would think that EAR C-1002 would sound better than the rubber you are using on the caps or even brass of some sort. Maybe even better yet would be both. A those screws should be changed to titanium and.........
I have always lived an amazingly clean life- Alfred E. Neuman
the white tube dampers that are on the Sylvania 12ax7 are older gen Herbie's Audio dampers. Yes, I tried using my older Herbie's Audio dampers also on those Philips 6922 tubes but felt and sounded that leaving the dampers off those gave the sound 'a little more skin on the bones'.
I just received from Herbie's their newest tube dampers about 3 weeks ago and put them onto my EE Minimax preamp. I then replaced my older dampers that were on the Minimax onto my Quicksilver Amps where I never had placed them prior (even though I've had these amps since 2016).
Those brass cones I bought back in 2001 from Mapleshade Audio to place under my VPI Scout and other equipment, but then used them for other purposes since such as on top of equipment as yes, they do affect the sound and they sounded better with them on than nothing on them IMHO. Yes, the spruce boards that I have under my amps are tweaks from Unclestu back in 2013 as it added an organic/more richer tone to the music being heard.
You should look at the writings he had placed onto his website that is still able to be viewed by anyone. I already had mentioned here on Tweakers Asylum back on March 14th about his website.
that smaller rectangular spruce board that I have the tuning fork stuck in is different from unclestu's spruce board planks which were about a little bit skinnier.
That plank... i bought like 6 of them from Ebay back in like 2015...unclestu passed already and so I was looking to get more of those planks...couldn't find the lengths/widths/thickness like unclestu, so i had to be satisfied with what was on ebay...
It was very inexpensive back then.... i looked about a month ago on ebay and no longer saw any seller offering those spruce rectagular boards...
Thanks for the response hawaiidude. Where did you get (Sitka?) spruce that thick? I still think you should at least compare the fork to coins of the same weight. My vibration scheme is based on Pierre's. I do brass, yellow poplar, and EAR C1002 under equipment. Herbie is also a fan of yellow poplar.
I have always lived an amazingly clean life- Alfred E. Neuman
i still do pierre's vibration control under my vpi tt... however i upgraded my mapleshade maple board this past January to 24 x 18 for $250..shipping to HI was $80 ! I replaced the brass cones with isoacoustics gaia III footers for the vpi tt.
This was too easy to pass. Ordered a 128hz tuning fork for $5. Secured it at the yoke with a small jawed clamp to the back of the amp shelf, allowing the tuned portion to hang in the air. To my system it is a subtle improvement, but it does raise sound quality, closely matching your description.
possibly it could be bettered with two forks ?
Stewart had two on his racks...YMMV
Interesting idea with some common sense behind it - pretty rare in a tweak !! Sort of like a 120 Hz sponge.
Plan on giving this one a try, and if it doesn't work I gather that the 128 Hz is used for awareness frequency therapy. Something I could certainly use!! Maybe need to get 2 - one for the stereo and one for me....
Like a Guitar or Piano in the same room as the speakers.
Well, if you physically activate the fork, it will certainly radiate 120 Hz. Look at it in the opposite way.
The fork actually wants to be activated at 120 Hz, and is designed to resonate at that frequency. If it is not physically activated and sitting idle, I reckon the tuning fork will try to resonate due to the 120 Hz it is exposed to in the air. Think about how much energy it can absorb trying to fully resonate. That is a pretty big pile of metal, and can sink a lot of energy getting revved up. It would have to be exposed to a lot of intensely radiated 120 Hz to start to audibly resonate. Might be fun to put it in front of a speaker playing 120 Hz, turn up the volume, and see what it takes to get it started - my guess is a whole lot. Certainly not what you should be seeing behind some components in an audio rack....
I was more concerned about the mass of the fork being too great to pay attention to the likely small amount of 120 Hz back there. Ordered one today, so should be able to see what happens in a week or two.
nt
"I know just enough to get into trouble. But not enough to get out of it."
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Doesn't Stanley Hammers have a tuning fork in their professional hammers because it absorbs the vibration from the hammer strikes before it enters into the hand/wrist/arm??? I'm not going to just reject it, but hey, for a few $$ for someone serious about this hobby what does one have to lose. It worked, it didn't work.
Well Charlie, I offered a free titanium screw tweek for ac faceplates and only a few were interested. Couldn't get easier or cheaper than that. I myself got a large improvement in the one system I tried it in.
I have always lived an amazingly clean life- Alfred E. Neuman
(nt)
"I know just enough to get into trouble. But not enough to get out of it."
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A Piano or Guitar will do it too, but are louder and annoying, and they ring over when you turn the system off.
I wouldn't want ANY sympathetic Vibrations going in or around my System!
Or maybe better, would be a small woofer, or large mid driver tuned to
120. Just find one with a bit higher FS, and add mass to get what you want. Just an idea.
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