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Hi,
Is the Mogami 3104 a star quad like Canare 4s11? Big price difference beween the two.
For speaker cables less than 8 feet, probably makes no difference?
Btw, are those isolator things that lift your speaker cables off the floor snake oil?
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Of course lifting all wires off the floor is beneficial. After consulting with a structural engineer and hiring a contractor to reinforce the floor,I filled my listening room up to the chair rail with tons of organically-grown, fair-traded brown rice, each grain hand engraved with the name of different jazz artist by octogenarian Italian craftspeople each earning a minimum of 15.00 Euros per hour, plus benefits. All cables are routed through the middle of the rice between the floor and the top of the pile. How do I best describe the improvement. I don't know; I cannot get the rice out of my ear drums.
WARNING: before you try this, please realize that the WAF is in negative territory by a factor of -1,000,000,000. Good luck to all willing to boldly venture where no audiophile has gone before me.
Now, wash your hands and listen to some good music.
"Writing about music is like dancing about architecture." ― Thelonious Sphere Monk
Cpwill
It is quite clear that you are discriminating against non Italian craft people and young craft people. I hope to see this obviously political message go poof! Long, medium or short grain brown rice?
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." Tweaker456
No politics intended. Now, does the rice go poof or puffed? As far a rice grain length, the long grains tend over-emphasize the bass frequencies, and the short grains exaggerated the highs. If you try it, I recommend you start with medium grain rice for the best tonal balance. Do not use rice as tone controls. Get a Dynaco PAS 3x if you need tone controls.
"Writing about music is like dancing about architecture." ― Thelonious Sphere Monk
Cpwill
I recommend Furez FZ124AS 12/4 wired star quad as a better option to consider, Taki888. It's only $25 for 25 feet + a moderate shipping charge.
Terminate the cable with high-quality speaker cable connectors that will fit a 9 AWG aggregate/effective gauge cable.
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Thanks Duster. I will check out those cables.
Doesn't hurt to try and lift cables off the ground. Doesn't cost anything. I probably
would not hear a difference.
I have tried switching PU leather and suede headphone ear pads, I could not hear the difference. Some must have superior hearing.
I do miss vinyl and cassette tapes, that was fun and sounded great be it not the latest tech.
Nostalgia's not what it used to be
Here is what Pierre at Mapleshade has to say about lifting cables off the floor Takki888. Not a bad description if not a touch hyperbolic.
Lift all speaker, power, and interconnect wires 8" off any carpet or plastic tile. Use string, wood, cardboard, or 20 ounce Styrofoam cups for temporary props. You'll think you've pulled horse blankets off your speakers.
I made lifters from doweling put through a 5/8th nut as a tripod, if I remember correctly.
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." Tweaker456
It improves the sound from my and many other point of view. Easy enough to try without anything special to hold them up. Snake oil is good stuff.
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." Tweaker456
high/low humidity? Type of carpeting/no carpeting? Cement/wood flooring? Basement or higher up? Throw rugs?
It would be scientific for someone to clear up the myths involved. I would find it hard to believe that it is clearly audible under all conditions. I have tried it but reserve any comments/opinions.
Does anybody have research or data on the subject? Citing experience under one's own condition is not definitive.
*"Bass is the place! The rest is filigree and lace" Doug Sax
Well Story, I have decided, since subjective experience is so difficult to come by given the arduous task of lifting cables off the floor and taking a before and after listen, to go rogue and personally fund a randomized, blinded,controlled trial of the effects of lifting cables off of rugs, nylon, wool and cotton, wood and laminate fake wood. I hope to soon get the results published is a respected scientific journal like Sterophile or The Absolute Sound. Stay tuned,so to speak. Tweaker456
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." Alfred E. Neuman
Edits: 07/18/20
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"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." Alfred E. Neuman
Also, YIKES.
and hope it can shed some light on the subject because it seems to be environment dependent, but I'm not sure.
I hope it's simpler than politics.
*"Bass is the place! The rest is filigree and lace" Doug Sax
It will be a lot simpler than politics because everyone will be blindfolded so as to reduce subjectivity and brainwashing to zero. They won't even be told what the independent variable is. Be watching the Sterophile headlines soon! FINAL RCT CONCLUSION: LIFTING CABLES OFF THE FLOOR RESULTS IN... (hint, horse blankets)
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." Tweaker456
horse blankets implies big, day and night differences.
so is that your claim. If I lift my speaker wires I will hear a large obvious improvement?
Tre'
Have Fun and Enjoy the Music
"Still Working the Problem"
Tre,horse blankets was not my claim, it was Pierre Sprey's claim which I pretty much stated could be considered a touch hyperbolic. #2 One man's horse blanket is another's cold night in the dark uncovered. #3 all one has to do is try it for themselves and see.#4 Horse blanket or no horse blanket it may be the particular kind of change that got rid of some annoyance or lifted ones system across a certain threshold of performance that might have been sought. I think this is a very good tweak for very little effort and expense. This by the way Tre, this is the tweaker's asylum. To tweak or not to tweak?, that should not be the question here,IMHO.
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." Alfred E. Neuman
what about signal wires? Should they be lifted?
Tre'
Have Fun and Enjoy the Music
"Still Working the Problem"
It's beneficial to suspend all cables off the floor, including speaker cables, line-level audio cables, and power cords. It's not mandatory, but each incremental increase in performance-quality due to audiophile accessories such as vibration control and noise reduction devices tend to make a notable difference for the better.
Nah, that would be snake oil.
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." Tweaker456
I'm just wondering how we can pull the "horse blankets off" the signal as found on LPs and CD etc? In all my years working in professional recording studios I have never seen anyone lift microphone cables.
Just saying.
Tre'
Have Fun and Enjoy the Music
"Still Working the Problem"
Just saying what Tre'? That because you have never tried it or seen anyone else try it therefore it doesn't or can't have an effect on the sound? At least 2 or three logical fallacies there. I'm sure I can find more based on your question how it can pull horse blankets off cd's and records. The Red Herring Fallacy right off the top of my head. You are not pulling horse blankets off of cds and records, you are potentially improving the nature of the electrical signal traveling through the wire by changing the dielectric and or vibration dampening. Far be it from me to believe in everything Pierre does but he is a recording "engineer". I would bet dollars to donuts that when practical, like in his own recording studio, that he has his microphone cables off the floor.I could be wrong but I doubt it. I'm sure he will answer that question if put to him. Given the low level of the signal in microphone cables one might speculate that that may be the most effective place for this tweak??
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." Tweaker456
I agree, if the tweak worked in the first place, mic lines in the recording studio would be "the most effective place for this tweak??".
"That because you have never tried it" Why the hell would you assume that?
I've got some great sounding recording from the 50's clear up to the 80's with no sign of "horse blankets" and I'm pretty sure the mic lines were not lifted for those recordings.
Take a good listen to Nat King Cole's "Orange Colored Sky" on the DCC release LPZ2-2061. The dynamics and clear, clean highs show no sign of "horse blankets". Well, maybe they lifted the mic cables on that (no latter than 1963) recording?
Tre'
Have Fun and Enjoy the Music
"Still Working the Problem"
Why would I assume that you never listened to mic wires off the ground in an AB test Tre'? This is why.
"In all my years working in professional recording studios I have never seen anyone lift microphone cables." Tre' July 14,2020 16:32:35
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." Tweaker456
I was saying that I have tried lifting my speaker wires here at home.
Tre'
Have Fun and Enjoy the Music
"Still Working the Problem"
"I've got some great sounding recording from the 50's clear up to the 80's with no sign of "horse blankets" and I'm pretty sure the mic lines were not lifted for those recordings." The point is would the sound have improved if these great sounding recordings were made with the cables lifted off the floor. Would your great recording have been better? Does the tweak work or not? Only trying will tell. This is the tweaker's asylum where people come for tweak info. Lifting cables off the ground is a good thing. Microphone cables or interconnect I would suspect would follow the same principles as speaker cable,I haven't needed to try them specifically. I would suggest that part of the reason you think these recordings are great would be the equipment you are using to reproduce it. Might you suspect that these great recording would be even greater with modern wire, cable, resistors, capacitors, vibration control, ac filtration... or are they intrinsically the greatest they could have ever been?? Please send me back in time so I can prove my point. Me thinks things were better in some way back then. Where's the WABAC machine when you need it the most?
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." Tweaker456
"Only trying will tell. "
I have.
Tre'
Have Fun and Enjoy the Music
"Still Working the Problem"
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