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In Reply to: RE: That is putting the cart before the horse posted by Steve Eddy on December 29, 2010 at 11:03:53
I share with you (even if not so strictly) the scientific mindset, but there are occasions in which spotting a difference using a perfect experiment setup would be a waste of time and money, as common sense(s)
are very good to distinguish it. A different issue is the eventual necessity to invent and test a new theory to explain it (but this activity stems from unexplained exceptions).
I mean, I can agree with you that what follows is not a scientific law, but "I can assure you that my beloved Tivoli One, on my desk, doesn't sound as good as my HI-FI system".
And probably even you would agree without performing a double blind test.
That would not bother you because it would be explainable within our knowledge and technology.
What I am trying to communicate is that the difference is so evident that I can reasonably trust my ears without doubting that I am fooling myself. I mean, it is not so subtle that I would need more precise investigation. That said I cannot affirm that my sentence can pass a scientific test. Neither does the sentence over my Tivoli.
Nor the preference of a Brunello di Montalcino over a one euro wine.
But in this case you do not agree because this damn trick is not explainable. So now we need two things: verify if the phenomenon exists (many here affirm it does) and - separately, if it does - try to explain within our knowledge or modifying it.
Obviously what I say it is not meant to change your mind, only to warn you that in my opinion this tweak "does" something (good). We can fool ourselves, but I can assure you that in the past I returned tweaks that in my opinion did nothing (and their price was much, much higher. The cost invested being one of the elements that can contribute a complacent response).
All what I said is, more or less, what I meant with "common sense".
As to the possibility of trying, why wouldn't you take a look into Galileo's telescope? :-)
Kind Regards
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What I am trying to communicate is that the difference is so evident that I can reasonably trust my ears without doubting that I am fooling myself.
I don't know what you mean by "so evident." So evident by what measure exactly?
If something was "so evident" that one can be reasonably sure that they're perceiving an actual audible difference, then I think it would follow that SOMEONE by now would have established actual audibility, or shown the effect by measurement.
But no one has been able to do this in the 30 some odd years I've been involved in audio.
Funny, that.
As to the possibility of trying, why wouldn't you take a look into Galileo's telescope? :-)
Because simply "looking" doesn't necessarily tell you anything.
Percival Lowell simply "looked" through a telescope once. He saw canals on Mars. And he too felt they were so evident that he could reasonably trust his eyes without doubting that he was fooling himself.
se
> > What I am trying to communicate is that the difference is so evident that I can reasonably trust my ears without doubting that I am fooling myself.
> I don't know what you mean by "so evident." So evident by what measure exactly?
You're beginning to sound like that old Elvira program that just regurgitated whatever the user typed with a question.
-Rod
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