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RE: "If you don't think/believe it can make a difference, it won't." Right you are; opposite of placebo effect.

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thetubeguy1954

In Reply to: RE: "If you don't think/believe it can make a difference, it won't." Right you are; opposite of placebo effect. posted by Norm on June 18, 2010 at 14:52:50

I'm curious Norm, why would you even start with the belief that anyone would ever expect all tweaks will work or work in all circumstances? How many people like this have you ever personally met? I've never actually met someone like that myself & although I've never met one of these "Scam Police types" you're talking about either, from the tone of some of the responses that are based on the OP's comments it does seem like there are some people who actually will and apparently do, refuse to simply listen and assess what they've just heard!

Where I am in total agreement with you is about the opposite of the "placebo effect" To few of the proponents of the "placebo effect" or "expectation bias" forget it works equally well both ways! So the instant anyone believes or proclaims someone else is hearing an improvement simply because they're expecting to, if they can think logically they'll have to agree it's 100% equally possible that the reason others, aren't hearing an improvement is simply because they're expecting not to!

Thetubeguy1954 (Tom Scata)

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"The man that hath no music in himself nor is not moved with concord of
sweet sounds is fit for treasons, stratagems and spoils."
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I don't recall ever meeting someone who expected all tweaks to work always, although Geoff Kait comes close. - Norm 07:35:06 06/21/10 (4)
However, there are many scam police here, on PC asylum, and especially on Prop head.

They typically demand double blind, same/different tests and focus on tweaks, power cables, and anything that suggest that bits are not bit in digital. I always wonder how they ever bought any audio gear or why they ever buy new equipment.
- I Don't Know What Geoff Kait's Believes, But I Cannot Argue With The Rest Of Your Post! (nt) - thetubeguy1954 11:41:59 06/21/10 (2)
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  - I mentioned Geoff Kait's because he thinks all of his tweaks work, just that many misuse them. - Norm 17:32:21 06/21/10 (1)
    Really, I know of many who will try any tweak. In fact many think that is true of me. But these individuals do recognize that many don't work for them. Basically, they are willing to try versus the Scam Police unwillingness to try anything, because the laws of EE preclude there being any effect.
    - But all of my tweaks DO work, you little monkey. - geoffkait 18:05:34 06/21/10 (0)
      You misquote me again, sir, that's twice in one day. It's not nice to put words in someone's mouth. Tsk, tsk. So, are you deaf, all thumbs or just can't follow instructions? Perhaps all three - a Trifecta!
- Huh?! Nope, never said it. What I said was... - geoffkait 09:07:37 06/21/10 (0)
  People who complain they can't hear tweaks are not all that in the Hearing Dept., are all thumbs or didn't follow instructions.

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