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Check out on YouTube Eathan Winer's audio myths- perform a search. The odd items mentioned here in Tweaker's Asylum can sound better, but may be of a suggestive nature causing a preceived improvement. How can anyone argue that?
I do know for a fact a good power conditioner will improve sonics from a noisy AC distribution system. I have a problem with a bag of rocks taped on an audio cable and other odd items. Room improvements is another issue and is paramount for great sonics.
No flamer here.
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I didn't realize that Ethan Winer was that tone deaf. I suppose you would expect that from someone who does his listening tests with "pro audio" gear.
Many Pro Audio products are outstanding....Lavry, Weiss, Apogee, Antelope Audio to name a few.
However I do agree with you that the difference and most often advantage of a better power cord on sound is extremely obvious.
His "Camp" however says that, bits-R-bits, wire-IS-wire etc. that is "If you can't measure it, then its not real". He can not trust his ears, but instead must see it on paper first.
Music is the Bridge between Heaven and Earth - 音楽は天国と地球のかけ橋
Are you trusting your Ears or your brains' interpretation of nerve signals the ears send to the brain? The latter may include expected results. Assuming the brain plays no part in hearing is indicative of a lack of thought process.
I suspect this plays a varying role in perception at times.
Have you ever drunken something that you thought was and looked like water only to discover when tasted it was 7-Up?Water itself does not taste bad and 7-Up itself doesn't taste bad, but drinking one fully expecting to taste the other, you spit it out as if it was a foul substance. The brain "expected" one thing, got something else and was totally confused for an instant and rejected the fluid.
Expectations do play an integral part of how we sense the world and "understand" the sensations. We then develop a memory of our stored fulfilled and unfulfilled expectaions / experiences to refer back to when we try something new. This tells us to judge the experience either good or bad. This is how we pattern our preferences over time.
JD
Edits: 01/31/10
That's a reason measurements have to be part of the decision. They may not tell the whole truth but they can help make that decision. We need more measurements, not less.
An example - over 25 years ago a friend of mine picked a cartridge using only a frequency response cure and a 1 khz square wave saying he knew how it sounded. He was right. It was superb. It was a Technics moving magnet design.
I have found that measurements tell you nothing about how a product will sound.Early transistor gear had fantastic measyrements and sounded awful. So did CD players. Tube amps tend to have poor measurements compared to transistor amps but many people like tube amps better.
Alan
Depends on the measurements. If you measure the wrong things, the measurements will be meaningless. Forex, tubes have more graceful overload characteristics than transistors and a less offensive spectrum of harmonic distortion. And back then, the importance of open loop performance wasn't understood. So you had transient distortion in solid state amps that used a lot of negative feedback to compensate for the high nonlinearity of transistors. So merely providing power and overall distortion figures won't give you an accurate indication of how a tube and transistor amp will compare sonically.
OTOH, measure the right things, and the measurements will correlate with what you hear. If that weren't the case, it would be impossible to design things, you need technical understanding to improve a circuit or a device, need to know what parameters to try improving.
As Boswell recorded his discussion of Berkeley's solipsism with Samuel Johnson,
'I observed, that though we are satisfied his doctrine is not true, it is impossible to refute it. I never shall forget the alacrity with which Johnson answered, striking his foot with mighty force against a large stone, till he rebounded from it -- "I refute it THUS!"'
Music is the Bridge between Heaven and Earth - 音楽は天国と地球のかけ橋
Reminds me of a listening session I did a few days ago where everyone picked out an expensive DAC over the rest. But little did they know it was the cheapest DAC of the bunch that they all liked. Group-think + wanting to hear what they thought was true.
I didn't tell any of them that they picked a slightly modded Valab DAC instead of the $1,500 DAC they thought they picked.
Music is the Bridge between Heaven and Earth - 音楽は天国と地球のかけ橋
Anyone want to buy my Shatki Stones?
I also have a Tice clock....
Jeff Davison
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I'll let the Tice Clock go for $500.
Beside totally improving the noise floor on my Sub-Zero refrigerator and giving more air to my ConAir1200 hairdryer, it also visibly impoves the light spectrum of the energy saving florescent bulbs in my garage workshop!
I'm only selling it because I have to move from my 5 bedroom house into an apartment and have to room.
JD
There must be something wrong with the tice clock for only $500.
yah, you guesssed it. I'm all for full disclosure...
it has missed it's yearly re-energizing by George Tice. Seems he has disappeared and his recharger has been sold for raw material for someones Cosmic Orgone Machine and Cloudbuster.... rumor has it that Less Loss was behind this.
So the radius of functionality is reduced to only a 2 foot radius and it can only work for one component and it must be attached to the same wall socket.
JD
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