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In Reply to: RE: Details of modification posted by wpod on July 18, 2007 at 08:48:50
I did a quick PSUD2 analysis of the 'before' and 'after' power supply, which confirms the drop in B+ voltage (somewhat surprising to me). The transient behavior was about the same (well damped response to a change in current draw of from 100 to 120 mA), but there was considerably more ripple in the low DCR low H configuration. Whatever is going on is not obvious from the simulation results.
However, your 'experiment' is not really valid because you changed so many variables - differnt caps, added bleeder resistor, differnt supply voltage, etc. Maybe the improved response is primarly due to the better transient characteristics of the ASC oil cap as compared to the orginal electrolytic. I know, who cares - if your happy with it, stay with it.
Follow Ups:
Hi mikeyb,I have received a few e-mails from Jeff Medwin regarding your simulations. Here are a few questions resulting from those emails.
"Are you measuring the correct thing ??
Will you simulate the dynamic response of these new and
old supplies please?? "....That will nullify ALL his year's worth of BS, and is a NICE post, needed in the mix:
Respectfully submitted
Norris Wilson
"Are you measuring the correct thing ??"
That is, indeed, a good question. What PSUD2 allows you to simulate is an essentially instantaneous change in current draw from x to y. Is this realistic? Probably not. What is does reveal, however, is the power supplies response to transient signal. What you want is a ‘smooth’ response, with no ‘ringing’. We are looking at the response in the ‘time domain’, that is, a plot of output voltage versus time. Both versions of the power supply behave well on that account.
That said, what would be more helpful would be to look at the supplies response to a typical audio waveform, which (I would guess) consists of both transient and sinusoidal changes in current. You should also look at the supplies frequency response. You can’t do that with the PSUD2 simulator, but you can with PSPICE. It takes time and effort, but it could be done.
I’ll get around to it eventually, to satisfy my own curiosity and to hopeful end this continuing fight (debate). Yea, right.
http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/tubediy/messages/12/128000.html
Thanks mikeyb,
I am looking forward to your PSPICE simulations.
I hope that it will offer conclusive evidence of the physics behind Jeff's power supply design, finally ending the negative part of the discussion.
Norris Wilson
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