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In Reply to: RE: Looking to go "full range" posted by Socrates7 on March 05, 2011 at 12:06:29
From personal experience and if big orchestral works are your type of music, a speaker that can move air is really important, I did not hear a 2 ways that can do that yet, they just cannot reproduce the scale of the music. It is not only how low down the speakers can go as a sub can always be added but a good 3 ways will always be better than a 2 ways.
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I agree, but only up to a point. To move air, you need surface area. And a 2-way, by it's design, really can only do so much. That said, it's easier to screw up a 3 way than a 2 way.
For me, it's not a matter of the number of drives, but more one of coherence. I want seamlessness with extension. Which is really hard to do with a 2-way.
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"I want seamlessness with extension."
3-ways almost always have a crossover near middle-C which is 262 Hz. For me, this usually hurts seamlessness. Using a 2-way (preferably sealed) eliminates that crossover point. Adding a pair of good subs provides the extension.
Also, the power requirements of a 2-way are often less than a 3 (or more) way speaker.
I am obviously refering to a high quality 3 ways being better than a similar quality 2 ways. I always find 2 ways speakers sounding small
In actual fact when going to a classical concert one of the obvious
fact is how big it sound.
Sure I've heard great 2 ways but IMHO unable to reproduce a big orchestra
as well as a great 3 ways or 4 ways.
You have a point about big sound needing big air movement. There are many speakers out there, and I have only heard a sampling, but the only ones that I have experienced doing justice to a full blown orchestra at high volume were the giant Wilsom MAXX XXs. On the other hand, they didn't do the smaller more intimate music as well as what he has. With the Wilsons, the treble midrange and bass could be clearly heard as separate entities on smaller music. On the big stuff, it was more about the power of the sound and the coherence wasn't noticable. The Wilsons may not have been set up optimally or we may not have been at the correct listening distance. They were great speakers, but out of his price range anyway.
Still, it's true that you can't pull a tactor trailer with a 370Z. But then you can't run a slalom course with an an eighteen wheeeler.
I agree with your assessment and that's what I heard from the big Wilsons - you could hear each driver rather than a cohesive whole. But judging by magazine reviews and what is rated Class A or editors choice cohesiveness and balance is ranked dead last on the things they find important. I rank those as the most important thing because for $70,000+ I need to believe there is a band in the room and not a box with a bunch of drivers and show off to your friends logo on the front to one up my buddies on how much I spend on loudspeakers.The Trenner and Freidl Ra Box had the thwack factor of the Acapella High Violoncello II - the Ra Box is cohesive but big sounding like a big horn but I didn't detect horn foibles. It is ported but they can be plugged - so they are room friendly - near wall or corners or free standing. $25,000. The Audio Note E is another of the big sound from a two way with cohesiveness that is second to none from a two way.
Single drivers like the Teresonics could be included but they really don't have the bass at level or perhaps the depth or organic sensation - but a sub might work. And the bonus is the huge sensitivity and efficiency.
Edits: 03/07/11
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