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In Reply to: RE: JBL 100 vs. MAGNAPAN MG II posted by Tom Brennan on January 01, 2011 at 14:38:28
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If they hadn't been shoddily built there wouldn't be as much talk as there is on the planar forum about fixing and modifying the things.
They all need repair since foam surrounds disintegrate over time.
Not to mention that many of them do not work as designed as paper cones changed over time, spider material stiffened, fill pulverized...
"They all need repair since foam surrounds disintegrate over time."
Yes; that's a problem too. Though one much easier and cheaper to fix than delaminated Maggies. And a woofer with bum foam still functions, a Maggie with broken wires doesn't.
"Not to mention that many of them do not work as designed as paper cones changed over time, spider material stiffened, fill pulverized..."
A 1956 Altec woofer may not work as originally designed but it still works and sounds nice. A Maggie with broken wires is as dead as a doorknob. And a delaminated one sounds like Hell. There's a difference between something that has wear and works and something that's broken.
"bum foam still functions"
It would be better that it doesn't, as tuning is way off in such case.
"easier and cheaper"
Beg to differ. I did both and it was bigger pain to redo dynaudio-s 24W54 than SMGa-s.
As much as paying for repair, they are comparable however, with MG you have practically new driver while in other case it still old driver with new surround.
"not work as originally designed but it still works"
Thanks, but I prefer one that works as good as new, not one that just works.
"There's a difference between something that has wear and works and something that's broken."
I can tell you that broken 1956 Altec sounds as good as broken Magnepan. Or should have I said does not sound at all.
"And a delaminated one"
Delaminated but not broken magies are very easy fix. Few dabs of glue do the job.
Bass wires rarely go bad and usually because of abuse. Tweeter wires go bad, if moisture gets to them. I had SMG-a that only needed tweeter wire, everything else was OK. Cost of the repair 10$ for wire, glue and acetone. Friend still has original SMG (not a) working fine.
To summarize, your position is not based on reality but purely on your bias.
Go to AudioKarma and read the various tales of how easy it is to refoam woofers and how difficult and time consuming it is to fix delaminated Maggies and how even more difficult to fix delaminated AND broken wires. But if you think rotted Dynaudios are junk that's aces with me. Next time buy woofers with corrugated surrounds. Or rubber.
My position is based on my experience; I owned the goddam things afterall. (Are you trying to tell me they didn't break?) And the experiences of those on a website where many Maggie fans exchange information.
Maggies were built like crap and you seek to defend them by saying some other speakers are just as crappy. Swell.
People forget that just "refoaming" does not mean "refoaming it right".
Many available foam kits are not proper fit, or stiffness. Some people install them improperly pretensioning them one way or the other, or off center or skewed.
"Maggies were built like crap and you seek to defend them by saying some other speakers are just as crappy." They are built for the price as anything else on the market, like it or not.
I had both 4311 and SMGa-s and if having choice between the two, I would choose SMGa-s. (I was very very happy when I got rid of JBL-s and took Monitor Audio-s that I still own)
You are entitled to your opinion, I am on my own.
I do not want to waste more time on this.
...and how difficult and time consuming it is to fix delaminated Maggies
Apparently, you ignored the part where he has done both and commented accordingly. One doesn't need to consult an audio board when you already have the experience. Blown out surrounds on anything are next to useless. That happened to one pair of my Advents recently.
As for me, L-100s were always too colored with the built in mid bass peak and elevated upper mid range. If that is your cup of tea, perhaps that explains why you like honky sounding horn loaded Altecs. The L110, however, was a a completely different story.
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You seem to be one of those people who think when people disregard someone (or with you no doubt) they're not listening. A common thing today.
I've talked to many more people who've had big trouble with Maggies than those who've had a little trouble. AK has threads with photos showing Maggie problems and how to fix them and it can run into a great deal of work.
And then there's my own experience which I always go by if it contradicts the claimed experiences of others.
That you don't like L-100s has nothing to do with this. You seem to have some kind of odd attraction to my posts. Kind of creepy, like Jennifer Jason Leigh in Single White Female.
In any event my taste in speakers has nothing to do with delaminated Maggies.
just tell the poster to whom you responded that his experience is irrelevant to the question posted.
Why is it that you even responded to a question regarding "saving" L100s given their highly colored sound?
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