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Ougo

In Reply to: RE: Solid Core posted by Diode on February 18, 2010 at 13:35:07

Hello,

Another possibility with Audio Note speakers is to use basic cooper litz cable (check in France "le guipage moderne"), which is available for a cheap price. Bi-wiring gaves better results at home.

Audio Note Lexus is also an interesting way but sound is quite specific (high bass/low medium range). It gives energy but it's not as balanced than silver cables (in my opinion).
I don't appreciate SPe (even bi-wired) which not represente in my system a real improvement (compared to a good and basic cooper litz cable) and it costs an arm.
SPx is good, expensive but good, with a beautiful upper range.
Sogon is wonderful but so expensive that it's not really an option.

My two cents.

Enjoy

Ugo
Garrard 301 / AN-1S AN Vx / AN IO Ltd / AN S8 / AN Dac 4 Sign / Forsell Air Bearing CD Transport / AN M8 / AN P4 Balanced / AN E SPe HE / Vz, LP, Sogon50, Sogon80 bi-wiring.

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Ougo, regarding Lexus do you mean it has too much bass - PhilJ 15:06:32 02/19/10 (5)
but too little midrange?

If so I can not see that (maybe a bit of extra bass) but I have not tried it on any other system.

On my system the midrange is very expansive and does not seem down in level.

I have not compared them to silver wire except for Reynaud 216 (I think is the right number) which was a bit thin in the mids.

thanks

Phil
- RE: Ougo, regarding Lexus do you mean it has too much bass - Bob Neill 07:05:08 02/20/10 (1)
  I agree, have not heard that criticism of Lexus. Some complain that it is not as brilliant or open sounding as SPe, SPx, and Sogon, which is another way of saying it's copper rather than silver. But because it has fifty strands of copper, it exhibits a great many compensating virtues, not least among them a pleasing overall balance. And I agree with your comparison with JMR's cable, which is a copper strand coated with silver. What's interesting to me is that on all Reynauds up through the Offrande Supremes, Lexus outperforms the JMR cable and actually seems more satisfying than SPe. SPx changes the game a bit, Sogon...well game over. To state the obvious, how Lexus performs with speakers is also affected by what precedes it in the audio chain. If you run from Pallas to Sootto to Sogon and then arrive at Lexus....well you'll get fewer complaints about lost brilliance and openness!
  
  Edits: 02/21/10
  - RE: Ougo, regarding Lexus do you mean it has too much bass - Ougo 08:39:44 02/21/10 (0)
    Hello Bob,
    
    You have a better explanation than me of what is lexus. A very good cable with different qualities than SPe and SPx and you can have it for a cheaper price.
    
    Now, if one day I have to replace my Sogon80 by another cables, I will test again the Lexus and do everyhting to obtain the better results with.
    
    Enjoy
    
    Ugo
    Garrard 301 / AN-1S AN Vx / AN IO Ltd / AN S8 / AN Dac 4 Sign / Forsell Air Bearing CD Transport / AN M8 / AN P4 Balanced / AN E SPe HE / Vz, LP, Sogon50, Sogon80 bi-wiring.
- RE: Ougo, regarding Lexus do you mean it has too much bass - Ougo 03:22:30 02/20/10 (2)
  Hello,
  
  May be just a little bit more (high) bass. It's the same when you compare AN S2 and AN S8 step ups.
  
  Now, when I tested the Lexus at home:
  - I didn't change the position of my AN E (each stand = 45kg) and they were probably to closed from the wall with this configuration
  - My room doesn't like the bass so much.
  
  I currently bi-wire with Sogon80 (I know, it's ridiculus) and obtains great results.
  
  Ugo
  Garrard 301 / AN-1S AN Vx / AN IO Ltd / AN S8 / AN Dac 4 Sign / Forsell Air Bearing CD Transport / AN M8 / AN P4 Balanced / AN E SPe HE / Vz, LP, Sogon50, Sogon80 bi-wiring.
  - RE: Ougo, regarding Lexus do you mean it has too much bass - lou dijon 07:44:37 02/21/10 (1)
    hello Ugo, hi everybody ; another subject that interests me : you say your stands weigh 45 kg, and I suppose they are the dedicated AN stands. What do you use to reach that weight ? Sand is easy to find, but I'm looking for lead and everytime people tell me it's not available, even forbidden. What is your secret (another one ?) ?
    And thanks for the advice on speaker cables ; for the moment, the Qed are quite good, and I don't want to make a decision, as I don't have my preamp to be able to compare ( I'm using the preamp part of an E203 Accuphase, and it lacks subtlety compared to an AN ).
    By the way, I'm looking for an AN Phono stage, or an M2+Phono, and I could sell my line M1. Something better would be ... better, but I suppose out of my reach.
    - RE: Ougo, regarding Lexus do you mean it has too much bass - Ougo 08:30:37 02/21/10 (0)
      Hello Lou,
      
      Theses stands are a special order to audio note uk. It looks like standard stands but everything is larger, with ticker metal plates.
      
      I didn't ordered it myself, it was just a very pleasant surprise when I bought my last pair of AN E (second hand ones).
      
      I don't know the M1, but I tested the M2 phono at home and really appreciated it. You don't have the output transformers as with M3, but sound is warm and generous (when M3 is more accurate).
      Phono stage is very good. I prefered it to an audio research phono 1.
      
      Meishu is also a very interesting solution.
      
      Enjoy
      
      Ugo
      Garrard 301 / AN-1S AN Vx / AN IO Ltd / AN S8 / AN Dac 4 Sign / Forsell Air Bearing CD Transport / AN M8 / AN P4 Balanced / AN E SPe HE / Vz, LP, Sogon50, Sogon80 bi-wiring.

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