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This is taken from KGON 92.3 FM Clasic Rock in Portland Oregons web site."Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon spent 736 straight weeks, from March1973 to July 1988, on Billboard's Top 200 album chart. It then spent another nine weeks on the chart, plus 759 weeks on the Top Pop Catalog Albums chart -- which means, with the current issue of Billboard, it will have spent 15-hundred weeks on the charts. That figure tops the second longest-charting album, Bob Marley's Legends, by a two-to-one margin. Dark Side has sold upwards of 40-million copies worldwide and continues to sell between eight- and nine-thousand copies a week.
A few years back Roger Waters said, "It's not allowed to be on the charts. Billboard introduced a rule which said no album that's been out for more than 10 years is allowed to appear in the 200 because the business decided that the chart is a selling tool and they don't need that tool to sell Dark Side of the Moon or [the Eagles'] Hotel California or the other classic albums."
Now you may not think it's the best album of all time You might not even like it. Heck you might hate, Or you might be the one guy who has never even heard it.
BUT 40 million copies sold and twice as many copies as it's c;osest competion is one hell of a statement about what the people who listen to rock and roll think of it.
Think of it this way DSOTM just finished the INDY 500 while the car in number two just cross the 250 mile mark! Meaning DSOTM moon lapped the field 250 times.
Follow Ups:
Wow I think after this thread I can list TROLL on my resume. I had no idea you guys would go off like this. It does make for a great warning I have a whole list of people never to invite over for an evening of music. ROTFLMAO
I wouldn't consider you a troll just based on the post itself, but I do wonder why one would try to correlate popularity with one's feelings about a rec.I mean, I think most of us know its chart history is impressive, or at least that it's moved a lot of units in dozens of editions. But what you posted was misleading, as Thriller has still outsold it by a wide margin. You presented DSOTM as though it's the most popular album of all time based on chart tenure. That's impressive, if you care about such things, but it's not sales...if sales are even sales. Most of my purchases over the past 15 years weren't recorded by Soundscan .
But, again, what the hell does sales have to do with anything? Maybe someone on this board has actually not heard this rec, but that's difficult to believe considering it's the 'rock' board on an audiophile site. You bring in popularity, you open yrself up to McDonald's references (if not comparisons). My favorite band is the Beatles, and I don't care how many records they sold or how popular they were. Pointing to popularity suggests insecurity to me. My favorite band after the Beatles ain't sold jack shit in the U.S., but that doesn't stop me from thinking there's never been anyone else besides the Fab Four that was a better r'n'r outfit. Meanwhile, if someone actually believes that the Beatles, or DSOTM, is the McDonald's of rock because both are popular, then I LIKE McDonald's. Some have dismissed the Beatles, on this board, as a 'boy band.' Well, then, I LIKE boy bands. I thought of that the last time I was listening to 'I Am The Walrus.' That was good for a chuckle.
Hey, you can dance to it.
Lastly, I'd be curious for some feedback on this Roger Waters-related post I linked to from another board from some of you DSOTM worshippers. PdL, if you're reading this, Doc hit me & I'll get back to you directly as soon as I can, I've just never gotten around to contacting you directly through the Asylum although I've long intended to.
... true.
The Oprah Winfrey-cation of Pink Floyd's/Roger Water's creativity.
Yes, it is isn't it?
Come see me lay my psyche bare. Come in your thousands to see my most intimate moments. Its honest. Its ME!!!
Reality reality.
Iggy Pop, Syd (either one), Morrison literally self-destructing on stage.
Throwing themselves to the lions.
You wanna see blood?
We got blood...
Last copy of dark side I have owned probly never will replace it.I wasent much of a fan of DSOTM anyway boring heard it way to much in audioshops back in the day then they seemed to move to DS brothers in arms then rt to P.B. yuck I say
nt
there are a few PF gurus herein that are hypersensitive and cannot understand that everyone does not place it at the top of their best ever list. Any detrimental comments about the album brings retaliatory threads that "have to defend PF's honor" or something like, since it is a top selling album, it has to be regarded as the best ever ("The masses have spoken"). Generally, most folks on this site are pretty tolerant and don't go off if someone dissents from their opinion about a favorite song or album. The back and forth jockeying starts up, goes off on tangents, and usually the PF afficianados digress to name calling. This has been occurring with some frequency lately with the DSOTH album discussion. I do not recall seeing this type of confrontation about other albums so maybe you have to consider the source.
I recently posted about how much I like Simon's Graceland and I how I love the musicianship, et al and, to me, it is an epic album. Most of the posters agreed and some liked Hearts and Bones as much or more. That's cool. I wouldn't give a rip if someone posted Graceland sucks. I wouldn't even respond because it would their opinion.
Well, it seems the PF lovers get a little hot under the collar and take a personal offense to divergent comments about their fav band. And on and on it goes, where it shall stop nobody knows.
day? I bet not.
I always thought they were overrated. People were always going on about the effects rather than the music. I remember getting in a pretty heated argument with Holsenbeck about it in your dorm room one evening. I actually have a higher regard for Floyd now than I did back then and listen to their greatest hits album from time to time. I really like Shine On you Crazy Diamond.I dug your Late for the Sky mention on island recordings. It would be very high on my list.
Strange place to mention this, but my dad passed away in early April.
would have attended the service had I known. I always liked your dad and he was always very nice to me. I am sincerely sorry for you and your family and offer my condolences. My dad passed away in 2002 and it was difficult. Time will help and you will cherish the memories.Out of respect for you and your dad, a post about music is not very important after hearing about your father.
NT
There's a hilarious subplot in "The Squid and the Whale" when the son of a college professor tries to pass off Floyd's "Hey You" as an original composition... and his academically sheltered parents think he's brilliant until the dope plays it at a school show and the music teacher gives them a copy of the CD booklet. Jeff Daniels, the father, replies, "Well, it's his own interpretation." Great scene.
had a large crowd of followers who were so simple minded from drugs they seemed to think Floyd was talented.Who else but dope head dip shits could listen to Animals and call it music???This folks are now either dead or have renownced anything to do with Floyd or there drug usage.They usually have dead end jobs in the "service industry" and are mad at the world for being total failures.It's all Pink Floyds fault this people are losers.
This lecture was brought to you by the Committee To End Prog Music And Pink Floyd.
Thank you
YECH
YECH is just very upset because his favorite DILDO broke... you know, the one with the KICK STARTER. He also chipped his teeth with it, and he found out his dental bill is enormous.
I still have those Gentle Giant, Porcupine Tree and Enya CDs you lent me. I lost your address, so please resend it to me, so I can return them. Don't worry, I will use the same wooden crate you sent them to me in. (Boy, you sure are fanatical about keeping these in pristine shape! And I'm even more impressed that you have the entire catalog of these artists, including bootlegs of live recordings. That live Enya was incredible, btw!)PS You were right, this is great music.
PPS I will take you up on trying out some more of your favorite music. You mentioned that you thought that I might like Genesis and Alan Parsons Project, so I will try those out.
PPS I am surprised you dislike Pink Floyd though, given the music you have lent me so far.
PPPS :-) (Hang in there Yech!)
I don't do that shit.
I'm sure there is a freeway rest room near you that doubles as yer home away from home.
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
YECH
its hard out there for a pimp
it's very offensive and certainly paints you as a very immature person. you spend enough time on here with your posts so can't you please think of something else nasty to say that isn't some negative gay stereotype?thank-you.
JR
"spin the black circle!"
It's our new queen for a day!!!!
Here she/he/it comes Ms.America.........
Congrats on being gay and proud.
I'm sure pastels look nice on you.
Isn't it time for you to visit the local road side rest stop??
YECH
I guess yer answer is a resounding fucking no
and really wiped out those brain cells,,,you became a blues fan...
"and really wiped out those brain cells,,,you became a blues fan..."
Or maybe some other hockey team....
".....you became a blues fan..."......... Like David Gilmour?
en em
You are pathetic. If you can even call Pink Floyd "prog rock", it WAS music at least. Thats more than you can say for the grunge sh*t that ended it all...in fact, we're still suffereing from it today in music. Pink Floyd had some lyrics that actually meant something. Let me also tell you I have never listened to this great music on any kind of drug...that would only take away from its effect. I am also quite successful by any standards, thank you. I am afraid your "committee" has failed miserably as Floyd's music is more popular today than it ever was in the '70s.
I'm am just pleased as punch you and yer band scored a steady gig at the Pink Pony Alternative Lifestyle Bar And Grill and you can move out of yer mommy and daddys basement.You're such a big boy now!!
And yer so succesfull you have to remind everyone of how successfull you are.....That allways impresses me when someone reminds us they are heads above everyone else.Here's a hint----usually they aren't quite as "successfull" as they say and like to hang out on the internet while taking a break from video games and masturbating.
And I took a steamer on yer fav band and boyyyyyy are you upset!!!Boo fucking hooo......
And yer a serious musician.Oh goody for you!!!Well ,senor fucknuckle,so am I.I just happen to suck at it.And I have a feeling you ain't as great as you claim.Now come back and tell us some more stories.
The big house you live in???
The great rock stars you know??I listen to a lot of prog in the 70s.More than you mr.Successfull.
Thank god for punk.Not my fav music but full of energy,vitality and just what the times needed to end the turgid legacy of shitty prog music.Prog stews in it's fetid pool of musical shit music with supposed successfull know it alls like you trying their best to rewrite history.Prog is as dead as yer brain.
Thank god.
YECH
wanna hear some great lyrics
Money it's a gas
Take that cash with both hands and make a stash
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Deep shit.If yer illiterate,like you Sugardawgdik
fuck off
with snot running down yer face while smelling of defecation??
Yep,just another progger/Pink Floyd fan.
YECH
nm ;)
I also have never listened to Pink Floyd under the influence of drugs. I know of lots of others who are with us on this. Roger Waters was known to abhor drugs. I think the members are "pulling your chain" or whatever phrase is used today. I think most people realize DSOTM is one of the greatest rock albums and has had a big impact on the music industry.I thought grunge was pretty bad but would welcome it back compared to the s#&t that's popular today. It's part of the "dummy-ing down" of our culture. That's why playing the piano is not cool but scratching a turntable is... .
Good listening,
David
nm
> it WAS music at least. Thats more than you can say for the grunge sh*t that ended it all...in fact, we're still suffereing from it todayI like grunge about as much as I like giving my cat a bath, but if that killed prog, then I'm among those who owe it an enormous debt of thanks. I think you mean punk, though.
What a shocking sentiment coming from you!
BTW, YECH...you learn how to play Wish You Were Here yet? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Just like bebop killed itself. It was just too fucking much after a while, all those fairies and mystical lyrics. OK, so there was an acoustic guitar in the mix to add class. I don't see the big difference with grunge. Nevermind was just as good if not better than any prog album I can name, and I was around for prog but too old for grunge. ELP and Yes laid some pretty big eggs in their time, and they were the cream of the crop. But yes, they were terrific musicians. With the exception of Gilmour, Pink Floyd were not terrific musicians, and I don't think they really fit the prog profile.
DITW,now there's steaming pile of dog dung.
Let's pretend it's the late 70's and we are eaves dropping on a couple typical progger dope heads..Hey man I got this fat ounce and new album by these Kkkansas guys.
Yeah man,roll up a fat one while I put it on the turntable.
Wow,this is some nice smoke man.
COUGH GAG HACK
Yeah man it's stemmy and seedy but ya just can't beat that mother earth Jamaican.
COUGH GAG HACK with snot running out nose
This Kkkansas stuff is really great music and hand me that fuckin joint ya bogart asshole.
Yeah the music is great man and this weed is kick ass muthafucker.
What are they singin about?What's this Dust In The Wind shit mean?
Who??
That new album??
What new album??
That new Kkkkansas album??
You bought a new album??
No you did ya dumbfuck.
oh yeah,dust in the wind.That's deep shit man.
What does it mean.
I know it's deep.Really deep.Bad ass fuckin deep man.It's existential man.you know.
Oh yeah I know.That's deep shit man.
Wanna do some acid??
Right on man.And that sums up yer average prog/Kkkansas/Dink Floyd fan.
YECH
or grunge were particularly stimulating or inspirational. Songwriting is nonexistent in most of that music also...just some young idiot whining that his girlfriend left his sorry ass or such. Theres no art in punk. Its just one meaningless power chord after another dubbed over with uuhhh can you call it singing? Oh yeah, it just ooozes with optimism and noone who listens to punk or grunge is a loser...;)Didnt mean to go off on you...this is for Yech.
... you are pretty much all wrong anyway.
To start with, when Floyd were young they used to encore with Chuck Berry songs. Secondly, art is not about what I suspect you think it is about... a technical superiority.
If you think there was no quality songwriting in punk, clearly you never heard much of it... The Sex Pistols had some sensational songs just for one. Whining was a quality inherent to the arty singer songwriters of the early 70s. Floyd's songs are not exactly optimistic especially at the time they were obsessed with "whining" about Syd...
It would seem you are obsessed with a kind of classical conservatism which is a dead end as illustrated by the increasingly small circles that prog moved itself into within a very short timespan in those dearly beloved early 70s.
Curiously of course, in Britain, Pink Floyd were directly responsible for much of the flowering of punk through their continues payments to their first manager Pete Jenner who moved on into responsibility for a lot of what you are dismissing.
Now that is poetic...
"....Secondly, art is not about what I suspect you think it is about... a technical superiority."
........ Right. Plus "art" is subjective - as long as you agree with what I like :-)
... you are pretty much all wrong anyway.Im listening.
"To start with, when Floyd were young they used to encore with Chuck Berry songs. Secondly, art is not about what I suspect you think it is about... a technical superiority."
Fine, if power chords and yelling is art to you...well, no need to continue. TO ME, it isnt, understand?
"If you think there was no quality songwriting in punk, clearly you never heard much of it... The Sex Pistols had some sensational songs just for one. "
I tried to give the pretext that its the MUSIC that turns me off first about punk....but you are right I havent heard a lot of it. I wonder if this YECH moron has heard all the Floyd stuff though? Or Roger's solo albums?
"Whining was a quality inherent to the arty singer songwriters of the early 70s. Floyd's songs are not exactly optimistic especially at the time they were obsessed with "whining" about Syd..."
Yes I know...please realize I was rejecting YECH's notion that all stuff other than prog is optimistic, success-breeding music. I didnt mean substance as much as the punk-voice...this kind of singing that actually SOUNDS like whining...its disgusting.
"It would seem you are obsessed with a kind of classical conservatism which is a dead end as illustrated by the increasingly small circles that prog moved itself into within a very short timespan in those dearly beloved early 70s."
Ah, I dont get into this. I like what I like, and Im just not going to let someone defecate on it. Its simple.
"Curiously of course, in Britain, Pink Floyd were directly responsible for much of the flowering of punk through their continues payments to their first manager Pete Jenner who moved on into responsibility for a lot of what you are dismissing.
Now that is poetic... "Whatever. The garbage flooding the music industry is your problem as much as mine.
features some yelling the likes of which I have never heard on any album I can recall. I had that album when I was young and my dad thought I was nuts.Just wondering.
... me too.
liked that crappy album, I'd still be listening to it.
> I like what I like, and Im just not going to let someone defecate on it. Its simple.Ah, but I guess the rest of us should just keep our traps shut, because a self-proclaimed 'serious musician' is being kind enough to grace us with the infinite wisdom that there's no art in punk.
Others aren't qualified to comment if they haven't heard Roger Waters solo albums, but I guess I can be confident in the knowledge that you've heard, oh, lots of punk records. How else would you be able to talk about the 'garbage flooding the music industry?'
I spent too many years dealing with musicians who considered themselves 'serious' musicians, they're the only ones who ever made me feel like it wasn't worth it, and I was playing & reading music before I learned the alphabet.
If you can offer something that's based on actual knowledge of an artist or a recording beyond 'there's no art' or 'it sounds like whining' or some other such uninformed piffle, be my guest, and then there's something to discuss. Otherwise, you don't know what the hell you're talking about.
Look "J", it was clear a long time ago we werent going to convince each other of anything. These are all my thoughts...and they are just as good as anyone elses. You let YECH spout off about stuff...but then you try and slam me for it. Someone's looking out for #1? You also read WAY too much into the things Im saying. What do you want me to do, track down every punk album ever made and listen to each one...at least 10 times (for it to sink in, ya know)? Face it...noone will ever have an absolute knowledge of music to have the ultimate opinion. I hear what I hear, is it so bad for me to be judgemental? We all are.
First of all, I'm not trying to change yr mind about anything. Second, I didn't put any words in yr mouth, that other quote was from "regmac," I figured you remembered, but I guess not. I say it is the same thing: 'this sucks because I say so.' He slammed a genre, you slam a subgenre. If there's a difference, it's only in volume. The attitude is the same. 'What I like is brilliance; what I don't like, that's garbage.'One of the biggest differences between us is that I don't talk shit about music I know little or nothing about. Ever. And while I'm sure 'serious musicians' like you probably couldn't be bothered, I listen to PLENTY of stuff I figure I won't like, or think I might but end up not liking, because I'm not afraid of knowledge or experience. I've heard few prog records I find tolerable, but I'm not afraid to listen to one, because I might learn something. Maybe you 'serious musicians' might care to wrap yr head around that concept before you spout off about stuff you know little about but see fit to judge.
Funny thing, learning about music. I was taught by 'serious musicians' for years...and ended up learning far more from people who still can't read a chart & have never taken a lesson in their lives. But hey, if you want to stay in yr room & listen to DSOTM for the rest of yr life, be my guest. It doesn't bother me, really.
Start telling me this or that about something you clearly know nothing about, and I'll have something to say about it. It wouldn't hurt you to either listen to the stuff you condemn with little knowledge, or, far more attainable, to keep yr mouth shut about it, being that you know so little.
But then I'm trying to reason with someone who thinks Roger Waters is a better writer than Dylan or Lennon. Yeah, it's too bad that there's no art in punk, because it would've been nice if there was someone out there who could manage to top a lyrical achievement like Radio K.A.O.S., huh? That sure gave Dylan a run for his money.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
As for YECH, how seriously you choose to take him is yr affair. But I have the stramgest, strongest feeling that he's heard waaaayyy more prog than you've heard punk. He's been known to attempt humor. You're dead serious.
Do you really think it's so unreasonable to think about how much you know or don't know about something before you post about it? There's nothing wrong with opinions, I daresay. But I find it difficult to formulate them on stuff I don't know anything about. And I don't think it's a coincidence that so many whose paths I've crossed, and who I've had the misfortune of having to play with or learn from, not only considered themselves 'serious' musicians but also saw no problem with passing sweeping judgments on things...including PINK FLOYD...that they simply knew nothing about.
If you think you're any different, you're sadly mistaken.
"First of all, I'm not trying to change yr mind about anything. Second, I didn't put any words in yr mouth, that other quote was from "regmac," I figured you remembered, but I guess not. I say it is the same thing: 'this sucks because I say so.' He slammed a genre, you slam a subgenre. If there's a difference, it's only in volume. "No, I got it. You're trying to say that because I disagree that all rock is unsohphisticated, I cant say that punk is unsophisticated (or whatever word I used). Whether you like it or not, certain aspects make "punk music" punk music. It is a subgenre meaning it has more specific characteristics than just rock, say. I feel like I have listened to quite a bit of it over the years...I never liked a bit of what I heard. Not only that, but I was satisfied enough with the large portion of music I DID like not to force myself to hear more punk. Its an infinite universe of music out there, and Im not going to focus on the negatives.
"The attitude is the same. 'What I like is brilliance; what I don't like, that's garbage.'"
Well, gee, thats pretty much everyone's attitude. Its just some are more open about it. Everyone has predjudices. We love, we hate, and everything in between.
"One of the biggest differences between us is that I don't talk shit about music I know little or nothing about. Ever."
You so sure about that? hmmmmmmmmmm
" And while I'm sure 'serious musicians' like you probably couldn't be bothered, I listen to PLENTY of stuff I figure I won't like, or think I might but end up not liking, because I'm not afraid of knowledge or experience. "
Good for you. Refer to above.
"I've heard few prog records I find tolerable, but I'm not afraid to listen to one, because I might learn something. "
Im not afraid to listen to punk. Look at it this way.... Of what I've heard, say 50% of jazz records I like, and 5% of punk music I like. Sorry, there may be a gem in the punk world, but its not worth my time or effort when I can find 10 great jazz records in the same amount of time. This is just an example.
"Maybe you 'serious musicians' might care to wrap yr head around that concept before you spout off about stuff you know little about but see fit to judge. Funny thing, learning about music. I was taught by 'serious musicians' for years...and ended up learning far more from people who still can't read a chart & have never taken a lesson in their lives."
Fine. I usually dont read sheet music either, though I can if necessary. Its just a nice tool to have, not a requirement.
"But hey, if you want to stay in yr room & listen to DSOTM for the rest of yr life, be my guest. It doesn't bother me, really."
HAH! You dont know what I listen to! Where did you get this idea? Just because I defend a piece, it must be all I listen to? I really think something is bothering you though...this is a bit hostile?
"Start telling me this or that about something you clearly know nothing about, and I'll have something to say about it. It wouldn't hurt you to either listen to the stuff you condemn with little knowledge, or, far more attainable, to keep yr mouth shut about it, being that you know so little."
Again...how much qualifies as "enough" to know about the music? Can you really judge that? I listen to a LOT of music, thats all I know, and I form opinions. Are these generalizations too harsh? Am I stereotyping? Well, you know, theres a reason for stereotypes...they're usually true. And we're talking about music here...
"But then I'm trying to reason with someone who thinks Roger Waters is a better writer than Dylan or Lennon. Yeah, it's too bad that there's no art in punk, because it would've been nice if there was someone out there who could manage to top a lyrical achievement like Radio K.A.O.S., huh? That sure gave Dylan a run for his money.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA"
Radio KAOS....how convinient. You picked the low point of Roger's career. Surely you couldnt find such an album from Dylan or Lennon ;) I will also say neither Dylan nor Lennon wrote a single album that measures up to Amused to Death in any form.
"As for YECH, how seriously you choose to take him is yr affair. But I have the stramgest, strongest feeling that he's heard waaaayyy more prog than you've heard punk. He's been known to attempt humor. You're dead serious."
No. I think the real issue is how lightly you take him. This is one of those "enemy of my enemy is my friend" moments isnt it. Oh, I should just let him slide though....because he's made a joke before. LOL. How about FUCK NO! Am I clear?
"Do you really think it's so unreasonable to think about how much you know or don't know about something before you post about it? There's nothing wrong with opinions, I daresay. But I find it difficult to formulate them on stuff I don't know anything about. And I don't think it's a coincidence that so many whose paths I've crossed, and who I've had the misfortune of having to play with or learn from, not only considered themselves 'serious' musicians but also saw no problem with passing sweeping judgments on things...including PINK FLOYD...that they simply knew nothing about."
(sigh) I thought I already explained this. Who are you to decide I dont know anything? We could go back and forth with this forever.
If you think you're any different, you're sadly mistaken. Let me ask how many Floyd, Waters, and Gilmour albums combined do you have? Surely you're not missing ANY because you listen to EVERYTHING and know EVERYTHING. Get off it. You dont know what I know. MOREOVER, ITS NOT IMPORTANT. You are clearly irrational and cant just leave DSOTM alone. If it was so ho-hum blah boring mediocre crap, why do keep feeling the need to attack it and those who like it in varying degrees?Let me refer to a prior post of mine...
"Rational people can at least respect it for what it is/was, even if they dislike it. Pink Floyd has had a very cult-like following (even though they have had huge sells), and this comes along with its large share of haters. Every time they are brought up, its just an opportunity for people to take shots at them and this album. Most of these comments completely misrepresent the band and the music and its historical context... its just not fun or informative to read anymore."
Please drop it. We are just adding fuel to the fire here and accomplishing nothing. Not just you and I. DSOTM has been beaten into the ground with discussions like this over YEARS.
.
You are of course entitled to that opinion. I'd respond more fully to this post, but I'll have to spend the next several hours laughing myself to sleep. Amused to death, indeed; perhaps a Pogues album is in order. Nitey nite.
name the album, please. This is not a challenge, im just curious as to what you think Lennons best solo piece is....or Dylans.
If you think Waters managed something in the same universe with Plastic Ono Band or even Imagine, Blonde On Blonde or Highway 61 Revisited, you are entitled to that viewpoint.I couldn't disagree more.
You want a Lennon or Dylan clunker? Lennon made some silly avant-garde recs like Two Virgins & Life With The Lions, but his true clunker is probably Some Time In New York City. Dylan experienced weak periods himself, with Self-Portrait & the reportedly contractual-obligation rec 'Dylan' standing out. I'd take either over KAOS, but give me that for the laffs alone over the recent Gilmour snooze-fest.
admitted. But I think Pros and Cons, and ATD are brilliant. Maybe comparing apples to oranges a little because these are both strongly comceptual albums. Lyrical styles are very different, the music even more so. I never understood why ATD never got more credit though...it is just amazing stuff start to finish. What do you think of it? I love Highway 61 and Imagine and the other 2 you said. Maybe ATD just hasnt worn away as much on me yet since its a lot more recent.
I guess you have a short memory. Remember this?> The point is that *all* rock is unsophisticated. Rock is produced for children and there is nothing more pathetic than a fifty-year-old man listening to the same drivel he did at sixteen.
That was just a couple of weeks ago. Looks an awful lot like
> Songwriting is nonexistent in most of that music also...just some young idiot whining that his girlfriend left his sorry ass or such. Theres no art in punk.
That's a mighty bold thing to say coming from someone who never heard of the New York Dolls. Perhaps you might try actually listening to the stuff before you decide you know enough about it to tell us what it's about & not about.
No its not alike "J". You are putting words into my mouth here. I am merely disgusted at MOST mainstream music today and the punk genre. NOT talking about "rock" in general as the first guy was. He used the word "all". I diagreed with that, though it could easily be replaced by "some". Surely you dont think all rock music is sophisticated. Enough about the New York Dolls please...
"....just some young idiot whining that his girlfriend left his sorry ass or such."....... That "limited lyrical content" that you deride has been the basis of 1,000's of popular songs, in many different types of music (pop, blues, country, R&B, soul etc.) That thems is hardly limited to punk rock. And if you consider great lyrics as an arbitor of quality music, or "art" to use your term, you may consider stepping it up a notch and reading a few books. You'd be much more likey to discover sophisticated writing in classic literature than in Roger Waters' tunes.
Ah shut up. Dont tell me to read a book. Is it too much for me to ask for MUSIC WITH GOOD LYRICS ALSO???? Why do they have to be exclusive? Look, its clear to me that punk music hasnt exactly made progress in this area....agree? Roger Waters, on the other hand, is in my opinion one of the 5 best writers since World War II. It is VERY sophisticated songwriting comparable to the likes of Dylan and Lennon. I get great satisfaction just from reading the booklets...and the music takes it to another level for me. This is just the way I feel about it.
"Ah shut up. Dont tell me to read a book......"....... Interesting reponse. Sugardawg - you have two related issues that run through many of your posts of late. The first is that you strive to promote the greatness of PF band by deriding other bands and forms of music. While that technique is usually effective amongst adolescents, it's success drops considerably as your discussions begin to include adults. If you are truly interested in getting others to understand your reasons behind PF's greatness, you would be better off concentrating on what you perceive to be the strenghts of PF. No one who is on the fence about Floyd is going to get on board because you think that punk rock is not sophisitated.
........The second issue is your inability to differentiate between music-related content and personal content. Telling people who point out non-complimenaty issues surrounding your band-of-choice to shut up, or calling them names only diminishes your credibilty. Consequently you have done very little to convince anyone who was not already a big fan of PF of their greatness.
Sir, please understand that telling someone to "read a book" is insulting. Its hard to take that any other way. Its as if you just gave up on lyrics in music and wish for my illiterate self to try ...a book.Im not trying to promote PF. WTF is going on here? People take shot after shot at PF, and yet when I take shots back at other music and bands IM OUT OF LINE!!!!!!!!!!!!! HELLO DOUBLE STANDARD!!
That means Laugh Out Loud, YECH.Love,
fp
I think the number of records sold is partly due to audiophiles who own five to ten different pressings of the album, needed for their regular D.S.O.T.M. shoot-outs.
Hi Rob.
YECHypoopoo
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All is well over here.What's up with you, cousin?
Robert
Things are going good.
My wife is growing larger by the day.Her ass barely fits thru the door and we now know why the on/off switch for lights was invented.
I can now play the guitar.Quite horribly.I like to play a game called name this tune.I play a song and have people guess what it is.Nobody ever gets it right.Maybe I should try prog.That's all mindless drivel.
If I visit can I crash at yer house for a couple weeks??You'd have a hard time trying to keep yer old ladys hands off me.I'm a magnet with the babes.Take care big Dutchman.
YECH
you nailed it. No doubt that this album is duplicated in collections more than any other. Everytime a new issue comes out, the fanatics out there have to get it again. I'd say at least half of the sales are for multiple issues in collections.
Yes DSOTM is a great album AND enough already.
No offense to you Mark. But the facts are facts. Rational people can at least respect it for what it is/was, even if they dislike it. Pink Floyd has had a very cult-like following (even though they have had huge sells), and this comes along with its large share of haters. Every time they are brought up, its just an opportunity for people to take shots at them and this album. Most of these comments completely misrepresent the band and the music and its historical context... its just not fun or informative to read anymore.
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I hadn't listened to it in years.
And I'll gi' it its due--it deserves to be considered one of the classic albums of all time.
But I keep waiting for them to go uptempo...and it just never happens.
And that's why it'll never rank as one of my faves.
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Just an Infinite Rider on the Big Dogma
MJ’s Thriller - 1982 is the official greatest selling album of all time at 40 million albums sold.Followed by:
ACDC Black in Black - 1980
The Eagles Thier Greatest Hits (1971-1975) - 1976
Pink Floyd DSOTM - 1973
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Pretty silly. Check it out :)
- http://www.pakistanimusic.com/artistes/abrarulhaq.html=12&sortby=1&perpage=20&category=ANY (Open in New Window)
... those figures are a bit oytdated, or they do not include various newer media. I think. There was a radio programme about sales a few months ago and Back In Black was certainly quoted at 48M, still in second place mind, but the figures were a fair bit higher.
Since there is no international body to count global record sales. Historical data before the 1980s and from developing countries are also incomplete. Information is also lacking for non-English language albums.However, based on the Guinness book of world records credibility I'd go with MJ as his Thriller sold more than 40 million copies worldwide.
The same people who drive "SUV's", yak on their cell phone while driving their kids to the soccer game, stop at McDonalds while donating to PETA, live 10 feet from the neighbor in a 300K home.......I could go on."Generica........." Don't you love it?
i may be just as bored as you about this DSOTM topic which has been flogged beyond being even remotely interesting anymore, but to say that Pink Floyd (especially DSOTM) is "generic" music listened to by Big Mac munching, cell-phone driving soccer moms is totally off the mark and frankly, very difficult to even imagine.generic music? there's much more obvious choices out there and you don't even have to reach in the barrel that deep either. but if you're really trying to say your bored with the topic, then say just that!
JR
"spin the black circle!"
My point is that DSOTM epitomizes "Generica." It has nothing to do with how good or bad it is. (I happen to think it's a masterpiece that's been played so much it makes me sick to hear it.)Now.......let's compare it to SUV's. Most vehicle's that would fall in that category are really nice vehicles. Granted, there just big station wagons, but still nice. BUT they've become status symbols for Generica.
Cell phones. VERY useful, but now they've become glued to everyone's ears. People think they can't function without them.
If you don't grasp how they compare I can't help you. I don't think all the SUV driving soccer moms are actually listening to it, but I'll bet damned near all of their golf playing dorky husbands think of themselves as being cool for doing so.
Mundane, boring, overplayed, clear channel music.
Great in it's day, but MOVE ON!!!!!
i do understand the point you are "trying" to make but i suppose in 2006 it's hard to equate PF's DSOTM with "generica" when there is so much "new" drivel out there that is soooooooo bland, unoriginal and uninspiring. ie: Britney, American Idol crap, nu-metal, etc...anyways, we are on the same page in regards to how the topic of DSOTM is so unnecessary, so hopefully the rest of us can all "move on" to something much more interesting. however, as i write this i can't believe how many people have since added to the string. good god!
JR
"spin the black circle!"
to say that i personally HATE cell phones and the awful etiquette they have created. and the same goes for ALL mini-vans! any good that either product has is far outweighed by the negative (for me at least).anyways, i'm done and wish i didn't even add to this original post.
oh well..........
JR
"spin the black circle!"
"Those" people wouldnt be the type to listen to DSOTM. Sure a couple of songs are big on the radio, but it takes a different kind of person to appreciate the album in its entirety. LOL, I cant imagine a soccer mom on a cellphone driving an SUV listening to it!!! What are you on? This is a completely off-base comment!
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"Except for the point, the still point, There would be no dance, and there is only the dance. " T.S. Eliot
I mean for crying out loud the records more than 30 years old. I got off listening to that record so much I'm tired and bored of it. Lots of records are like that - great in their day but people gotta move on.How do I spell stale? DSOTM
Give me rhythm or give me death!
bleep
...both are popular. I like DSOTM just fine, even though there are still at least 10 other recs from 1973 I think are better. I'm not sure what sort of inferiority complex its greatest fans seem to have where they need to let the rest of us know how popular it is.We know.
Thanks.
As if DSOTM were the McDonalds of albums? At the time, it was very obscure, "different" music. You're making it sound like ACDC or some common power chord rock to a 4/4 beat. Not so.
Come on, can't we give it a rest already? If someone's going to try to tell me that something is good merely because it is popular, then McDonald's is a fitting analogy. Not a direct comparison, I'm not suggesting that, so give me a break.Thriller's sold more, whether you like it or not, do you like the idea that someone's going to insist it's a superior album just because it sold a ton? I like to make up my own mind, thank you. And I still like DSOTM even if I find the worship baffling. That it's sold a lot don't mean jack to me, so McDonald's being the most popular restaurant shouldn't mean anything either...except to point out the absurdity & illogic behind 'the masses have spoken.'
just because something sells well doesnt mean its great or trash. I could think of many things that are huge sellers that I love, hate, like, dislike, or just neutral about.I have always been surprised that DSOTM sold so well...it seems like a piece that has a niche following to me. Its really baffling. I think a lot of the sells stem from whoever started ranking it in the top albums of all time. Radio play increased over the years 10000 times. Just everything started telling people this was the album to have even though its pretty obscure, odd stuff relatively speaking (compared to pop music).
I will say that even though so many people evidently have it, noone that I know is indifferent about the album. It has also been re-released 5 million times, and a lot of the enthusiasts buy every damn copy. Pink Floyd has a large following with collectors, of Floyd, of vinyl, etc. These things contribute to the albums sells Im sure....I'd say probably half of them are duplicates (different versions) in collections. The number of sells is misleading with this record.
"I'm not sure what sort of inferiority complex its greatest fans seem to have where they need to let the rest of us know how popular it is."....... Perhaps a steady diet of Roger Waters' lethargic tunes & morbose lyrics over a 30 year period perpetuates that pathology?
...you gotta read my friend Brad's take on him. I didn't know whether to laugh, or laugh.
A most insightful article. Even better - I doubt Roger considers anyone intelligent enough to figure him out."Rinse and Repeat" - I love it!
... copies, let alone Thriller.
I have never understood the appeal of this record, in fact I never heard it until a xouple of years ago (despite being of exactly the right age)... but opinions vary.
But why keep hammering on about it, unless you are trying to prove something.
Something like... its not the biggest selling record of all time... it not the biggest selling rock record of all time... oh, did I miss something?
40 million sold, but only to five million people who keep getting stoned, scratching it, and having to buy another copy.I say, "Viva DSOTM!"
For some reason, I just never got tired of it.
It's OK not to like it, though. It's not like people need sales validation to like something, right? It's all good.
Thriller and Hotel California. Hanes Underwear may outsell all of the other underwear manufacturers combined but I still don't like the brand nor do I think the sales automatically justifies it as the best underwear.
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I respect, like Led Zeppelin, but just can't get into their music. Thanks.
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