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RE: I don't think so

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In Reply to: RE: I don't think so posted by villastrangiato on November 12, 2012 at 08:05:11

"THEY ARE PRESENTED IN A FALSE MANNER AS LEGITIMATE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE SOUND OF A SOUND REPRODUCTION SYSTEM - FALSE ADVERTISING."

You view the "audio system" as somehow separate from the listener. I do not.

I have no problem suing manufacturers, distributors and vendors for fraud if they make specific claims that, narrowly read, are false. Most marketing literature is carefully written so that vendors won't liable for fraud. However, in the end, it's best to rely on caveat emptor. I'll shed no tears for a foolish rich man who gives his money to a con man. I figure that he probably got his money through some shady means in the first place, given that he's a fool.

Tony Lauck

"Diversity is the law of nature; no two entities in this universe are uniform." - P.R. Sarkar

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What if... - Presto 12:44:14 11/12/12 (0)
... a rich guy buys some voodoo stands that in addition to doing not what they purport to do at all, hold up the equipment nicely and add to the AESTHETIC of the room? Is not aesthetic of the room important. C'mon guys. Custom room professionally finished with task lighting and nice floor coverings versus a rag-tag partially finished basement area with a cheap throw-rug over the concrete floor, CDs and junk everywhere and warehouse style two-lamp fluorescent fixtures on bare joists hooked up with lamp cord? I've heard systems in rooms like the latter. The former room is just more fun to listen in. Part of the concert experience is the glamor and glitz of the hall, and the velvet seats and sexy lighting.

Enjoying art is not a science experiment or lab. It's a human experience. The aesthetic - the perception. It's all part of it. Poorly engineered audio equipment or a bad room with wicked bass nodes is not going to help. But other seemingly important specifications and design goals may become lost in translation.

I spend a lot of time making speakers adhere to rather strict design goals. Some sound very nice at the end, as a properly engineered speaker should. But if someone does not like that speaker, do I lambast them for having a preference for something other than "X transfer function" or do I realize that people have different references, different hearing curves and simply different preferences?

You can't engineer the human factor out of human beings.

Nor can you have a single formula for "correct" that fits everyone when it comes to an aesthetic experience.

Cheers,
Presto
RE: I don't think so - villastrangiato 09:59:23 11/12/12 (1)
I lump attempts at mind games, hypnosis, psychiatric therapy, drug use, and surgery to alter the brain, ear, or head transfer function as potential aspects impacting the "sound experience" that exist OUTSIDE the realm of the "audio system".

Edits: 11/13/12
- RE: I don't think so - Tony Lauck 11:24:20 11/12/12 (0)
  Prophead is the preferred forum for debates between subjectivists and objectivists. I consider myself both. So I guess that makes me crazy. :-)
  
  Frequent posting in Isolation? 34 posts in 4 years is frequent?
  
  Tony Lauck
  
  "Diversity is the law of nature; no two entities in this universe are uniform." - P.R. Sarkar

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