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In Reply to: RE: "Being called "lunitic fringe" by your kind is a badge of honor." posted by Peter H-son on October 01, 2009 at 10:31:31
to get a better understanding of exactly who and what is actually being criticized. You jumped into this thread seemingly thinking it was about you. I assure you it wasn't.
"You have people here making outlandish claims. That is not so bad. But then they resort to name-calling and try to bully people into believing their nonsense. How does that make them different from ANY religious fundamentalist?"
I don't think the claims about some of the folks at Hydrogenaudio are particularly outlandish. I think if you were to get a first hand taste you would find yourself in agreement with much of what is being said here about those folks.
As for name calling... it does not make one a fundamentalist. You have done your fair share of it on this thread.
"Passing a DBT is the easiest thing in the world, if there is a difference."
This thread isn't about passing dbts or about cables or about you. It is about a particular group of lunitic fringe objectivists and their distortions of real science and of subjectivists and of audio in general. We are talking about a group of people that would call *you* mentally ill and in need of mental treatment because of your beliefs about audio. I only suggested you engage them in a conversation about the resolution of vinyl vs. Redbook CD so you could get a first hand taste of what it is we are criticizing in this thread.
Follow Ups:
"You jumped into this thread seemingly thinking it was about you. I assure you it wasn't."
Two wrongs. I'm not a narcissist. I do not think the world revolves on me.
"I don't think the claims about some of the folks at Hydrogenaudio are particularly outlandish."
Nor do I. I'm talking about the outlandish claims made by the wire fetishists.
"As for name calling... it does not make one a fundamentalist."
Not what I said at all. I said that carcass93 and his ilks are bullies. If you do not submit to their belief system, you are a coward and should go fuck yourself. His words, not mine.
"This thread isn't about passing dbts or about cables or about you. It is about a particular group of lunitic fringe objectivists and their distortions of real science and of subjectivists and of audio in general."
I say pigs can fly. You say No. I then say you are a lunitic fringe objectivist.
I do not think pigs can fly any more than I believe the cable fetishists' claims. The only difference between those claims is BELIEF.
A Christian is likely to believe somebody who says Jesus has talked to him. The Christian is far less likely to believe somebody who says Buddha has talked to him.
"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science."
--Charles Darwin
Then you posted to the worng thread. There was no talk about cables until you brought it up. The thread was about some folks on Hydrogen Audio. You jumped in and started slinging insults. Do you walk into a bar and punch someone in the face and then feel outraged and wronged when you get punched back? How is it that you, the guy who fired the first insult, have any business acting all righteous about others insulting you? Were you just in need of some attention? Did you think you were contributing in some way? why are you even posting on this thread?
"Then you posted to the worng thread."
Not at all.
"There was no talk about cables until you brought it up."
Yes, there was. "Some poor soul decided it would be good idea to post results of his positive test of power cords on HydrogenAudio."
"The thread was about some folks on Hydrogen Audio."
Almost. The thread is about the folks on Hydrogen Audio WHO DO NOT SHARE THE BELIEF OF THE CABLE FETISHISTS. If the folks at Hydrogen Audio would have bought the cable fetishists' superstitious beliefs, there would have been no thread.
I could go to the Hydrogen Audio forum (I assume it's a forum) and start a thread saying pigs can fly. I'm sure the folks there would call me an idiot. Then I could come here and bitch about it. Same thing and just as retarded.
"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science."
--Charles Darwin
> > > Then you posted to the worng thread.> > >
> > Not at all.> >
> > > There was no talk about cables until you brought it up.> > >
> > Yes, there was. "Some poor soul decided it would be good idea to post results of his positive test of power cords on HydrogenAudio."> >
yeah, that is what they do there. but apparently it's only OK if the results match the beliefs. Apparently this is something you have in common with the nut jobs on Hydrogen Audio. no wonder you took it personally. here is a clue about real science. There is no cherry picking based on whether or not one *likes* the results.
> > > The thread was about some folks on Hydrogen Audio.> > >
> > Almost.> >
Nope. It was exactly about them.
> > The thread is about the folks on Hydrogen Audio WHO DO NOT SHARE THE BELIEF OF THE CABLE FETISHISTS. If the folks at Hydrogen Audio would have bought the cable fetishists' superstitious beliefs, there would have been no thread.> >
In a way you are right. It was about them pretending to be scientific when if fact they were acting like religious zealots who only embrace science when it conforms to their religious beliefs. Apparently you endorse such behaviour.
> > I could go to the Hydrogen Audio forum (I assume it's a forum) and start a thread saying pigs can fly. I'm sure the folks there would call me an idiot. Then I could come here and bitch about it. Same thing and just as retarded.> >
Or you could go there and post your beliefs about vinyl resolution vs. Redbook CD and see what it is like to be faced with someone like you. I think you owe to yourself to walk a mile in the other guy's shoes. Maybe you will learn a thing or two about arrogance and self righteousness.
"yeah, that is what they do there. but apparently it's only OK if the results match the beliefs. Apparently this is something you have in common with the nut jobs on Hydrogen Audio. no wonder you took it personally. here is a clue about real science. There is no cherry picking based on whether or not one *likes* the results."
False. There is no such result. Hydrogen Audio has all the science on its side. The only thing you cable fetishists have is your superstitious belief. You lose.
"Or you could go there and post your beliefs about vinyl resolution vs. Redbook CD and see what it is like to be faced with someone like you. I think you owe to yourself to walk a mile in the other guy's shoes. Maybe you will learn a thing or two about arrogance and self righteousness."
That makes no sense at all. That's like asking me to become a Creationist so I can experience what it feels like to get my ass handed to me by science. I have no more issues with science than I have with Hydrogen Audio.
You are committing the same fallacy as all the other wackjobs on this forum.
"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science."
--Charles Darwin
"False. There is no such result. Hydrogen Audio has all the science on its side. The only thing you cable fetishists have is your superstitious belief. You lose."
You sound like a creationist talking about radiometric dating. There *was* such a result. It was reported on the thread at Hydrogenaudio. How do you like them cherries? We know which one's you are picking.
What sicence is on their side? Do tell us what at Hydrogen audio has ever been published in a scientific peer reviewed journal. Do you know how real science actually works? Your assertion that they have real science on their side strongly suggests otherwise.
"It was reported on the thread at Hydrogenaudio."
By the likes of you.
Wackjobs on this forum have given us "Scientific evidence of power cables reducing signal distortion."
That is NOT science.
"Do tell us what at Hydrogen audio has ever been published in a scientific peer reviewed journal."
You really are that stupid, aren't you?
You do not need science to reject claims that pigs can fly or that the earth is flat. That is not how science works.
YOU are the ones making outlandish claims. The burden of proof is on your side. The rest of us have no reason to believe you until you do. Why would anyone believe you more than the people in the Penn & Teller videos? You are all the same as far as I'm concerned. Neither one of you has a skeptical bone in his body.
"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science."
--Charles Darwin
as well as any religious zealot ever argues their position. Let's review some of the highlights of your insightful arguments.
"By the likes of you.
Wackjobs on this forum have given us 'Scientific evidence of power cables reducing signal distortion.'"
> > Do tell us what at Hydrogen audio has ever been published in a scientific peer reviewed journal.> >
"You really are that stupid, aren't you?
You do not need science to reject claims that pigs can fly or that the earth is flat. That is not how science works."
"YOU are the ones making outlandish claims. The burden of proof is on your side. The rest of us have no reason to believe you until you do. Why would anyone believe you more than the people in the Penn & Teller videos? You are all the same as far as I'm concerned. Neither one of you has a skeptical bone in his body."
Why should I bring a sword to this battle when you are some eager to fall on your own?
I can't say I have seen any better examples of the logical fallacy of ad hominem. Bravo!
... is fine, as long as it's him doing the swinging.
Truly selective perception and memory, in best objectivist tradition...
"Nobody is dumber that the idiots here" was a response. Before that I tried to figure out what this thread is about. The initial post made little sense to me. More precisely, why on this forum? The true believers on the cable forum would surely be much more receptive.
But you knew who the "idiots" were.
You come here and insult the intelligense of everybody with your outlandish claims and superstitious belief. Then you get insulted because we are not stupid enough to buy your nonsense.
"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science."
--Charles Darwin
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