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Yes I remember. It appeared you were being purposefully obtuse there too.

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Ugly

In Reply to: RE: after our exchange on another thread posted by Analog Scott on May 12, 2008 at 21:44:43

This thread is a perfect example....

Your response to theaudiohobby's complaint

"But as you may have guessed, many audiophile vendors leave their spec's up to the users' imagination. "

is nothing but power conditioner specs to which I respond (quoted below), obviously jumping to the conclusion you were posting examples of audiophile vendors truly supplying complete specs on their audio equipment by supplying very complete specs to some power conditioners as a counterargument to theaudiohobby's original claim:

"Lumping power conditioner manufacturers into the group called "audiophile vendors" sounds like a sick joke to me."

to which you've responded with the intelligence revealing gem:

"Where did *I* do that?"

LOL! good stuff just like the other thread you bring up! Unfortunately, for me the comedy has likely now played its course. At least others who read this will understand why I stop responding here in the absence of the addition of at least a small kernel of an intelligent argument even if you don't Scott.

Cheers buddy. Thanks again for a good chuckle. Seriously.

Ugly

Follow Ups:

RE: Yes I remember. It appeared you were being purposefully obtuse there too. - Analog Scott 16:24:30 05/13/08 (9)
> > This thread is a perfect example....

Your response to theaudiohobby's complaint

"But as you may have guessed, many audiophile vendors leave their spec's up to the users' imagination. "> >

Dude, seriously, what are you sniffing? More to the point who are you quoting? This is audiohobby's post to which i responded in whole.

"In Reply to: RE: AC Power posted by Lynn on May 07, 2008 at 19:36:47

** What is the technical basis for power conditioning, AC purifiers, etc.? **

Power factor correction, voltage spikes, surges, RFI and EMI. Ironically many of the garden variety products specify their capability in these areas. But as you may have guessed, many audiophile vendors leave their spec's up to the users' imagination.

Compare Furman spec (mainstream )

http://www.furmansound.com/product.php?div=02&id=IT-REF_20i

to Shuntaya's (audiophile)

http://www.shunyata.com/Content/technical-HydraVrayspecs.html

** I have also read quite a few posts stating that a high quality power supply should isolate a component from AC issues. **

Some probably do, but as with many other audiophile products with zero (or near zero) specs, there is little guidance. Stuff like power factor correction, and surge suppression are fairly standard stuff that should be specified. I will rather go with mainstream mfr on stuff like this, an ineffective product could prove very costly in the event of real AC issue."

Dude, get a clue!!!!!!
- lol ... - TBone 17:40:18 05/14/08 (5)
  > > Dude, get a clue!!!!!! < <
  
  Scott, in order to have a clue, you need to have ACTUAL AUDIO experience, and considering that Ugly always bases his "opinions" on nothing more than speculation ... well ... your asking far too much of him.
  
  TB1
  - Ha! I see the most respected among us are starting to band together. - Ugly 18:54:05 05/14/08 (4)
    Whatsa matta loser? You hafta resort to personal insults since you have nothing to offer in the form of technical input? Classy! At least Scott is trying....
    - figures .... - TBone 21:20:13 05/14/08 (3)
      your instantly defensive, perhaps I struck a nerve.
      
      OK ... Mr. Ugly, the subject is AC based noise reduction within an audio environment, so exactly how many PLCs have you heard to form your 'em ... informed opinion?
      
      trying
      TB1
      - RE: figures .... - Ugly 01:46:50 05/15/08 (2)
        
        In Reply to: RE: figures .... posted by TBone on May 14, 2008 at 21:20:13
        
        OOOoo. Whos getting defensive?
        No need to ruin my sound and listen to your crappy PLC's. I am achieving rated SNR and have no known noise issues beyond what is expected from the equipment I use during normal low volume listening sessions. Why would I insert something guaranteed to have a negative impact on signal quality if it isn't needed? The only issues that mys system won't filter by design are extreely low frequency, ie brown outs, etc and show up more as a temporary reduction of dynamic range capabilities rather than a noise you might hear. I could help you design a system that allows you to reach your noise goals too but it'll cost you about $120 an hour including tax, and then you could use your PLC's for boat anchors like they are better at doing.
        To put it another way. You can't afford the PLC setup I'd need to make an actual improvement in my system and neither can I. It would probably be cheaper to set up an alternative power source in my case as the power draw can approach several KW during peak transients. The ways I am often inclined to listen, while sipping a beer on the neighbors porch for example, will often require nearly that in RMS power as well.
        
        Edits: 05/15/08 05/15/08 05/15/08
        
        the advantages of pretending ... - TBone 06:04:20 05/15/08 (1)
        
        In Reply to: RE: figures .... posted by Ugly on May 15, 2008 at 01:46:50
        
        > > To put it another way. < <
        
        Well, Ugly, thats the beauty of living in your complete fantasy world, you can "put it" anyway you want.
        
        TB1
        
        Now there is a solid argument... - Ugly 07:29:12 05/15/08 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: the advantages of pretending ... posted by TBone on May 15, 2008 at 06:04:20
        
        I can see that your technical prowess will just be too much for me to overcome. Uncle.
- RE: Yes I remember. It appeared you were being purposefully obtuse there too. - Ugly 07:46:17 05/14/08 (2)
  As I suspected, not only are you stuck with trying to communicate using babay talk, it appears that any sentence more complex than a few words will throw you for a loop. Here is a hint: read my posts slowly and several times. What I said makes sense to those who understand English. Is English even your native language?
  - "Here is a hint: read my posts slowly and several times." - Analog Scott 15:08:13 05/14/08 (1)
    I'd rather be water boarded.
    - RE: "Here is a hint: read my posts slowly and several times." - Ugly 19:11:23 05/14/08 (0)
      Suit yourself.

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