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In Reply to: RE: Finally reloaded Windows posted by theob on March 20, 2009 at 18:31:13
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I keep getting the "Not Enough Ram Error" while trying to play files with cPlay. I just installed a 256 MB Kingston ValueRAM (had no problem with my 512MB) .
I have only 2 services that are running : Plug And Play and RPC.
There's absolutely nothing else installed on the computer.
In the Windows Task Manager the "Available" physical memory says : 177000.
I'm confused... what else can I do?
Any ideas?
Thanks
Etienne
Etienne,
With the 256Mb stick of ValueRAM, the Bios Post screen shows 259000K available after the RAM test.
Then Task Manager shows the following 10 processes:
csrss.ext - 2,996 K
explorer.exe - 7,544 K
lsass.exe - 340 K
services.exe - 2,096 K
smss.exe - 256K
svchost.exe - 1,932 K
System - 216 K
System Idle Process - 24 K
taskmgr.exe - 2,560 K
winlogon.exe - 1,528 K
Under the Performance tab of Task Manager, I get the following:
Physical Memory
Total 258476
Available 213032
System Cache 51876
If you're seeing less physical RAM than what I show at either Bios Post or in the Task Manager, and a few removals-reinsertions-reboots don't fix it, then I'd say you have faulty RAM and should get an exchange.
The other thing to look at are the sizes of your 10 tasks... of course, I'm still running SP2, not SP3, so yours may not be the same as mine.
I hope this all helps!
Greg in Mississippi
Hello,
Ok I've done a little bit of research to diagnose my "not enough ram" problem.
Actually, in cPlay it says that I have 158Mb available (so close!).
When I look in "System Properties" only 220Mb shows up. This is probably due to the fact that were using the onboard graphic. I can also see this in the BIOS POST messages : 222MB + 34 Shared Memory. Anybody else can see this behaviour (I'm using the GA-EG45M-UD2H MoBo)?
Anyways, with 220Mb there should be plenty available for cPlay. On system boot, my Windows system takes only ~25Mb (in Task Manager).
I'm 100% sure there's no other process I can disable (Only 2 are running), there's no unnecessary program running in the background. I pretty sure that the burn in process will not "magically" free up 2Mb but I'm willing to try and the system is currently burning in.
Are there anything else I can disable (with Autoruns maybe..?).
My system is a dedicated cMP2 transport.
Thanks again!
Etienne
Etienne,
You say you're using the on-board graphic. Did you do the series of customizations that forces windows to use the processor for video?
Let me check my GA-EG45M-UD2H that's burning in right now.
Greg in Mississippi
Ok, on my GA-EG45M-UD2H setup, also with a 256Mb stick of ValueRAM, the Bios Post screen shows 226304K available after the RAM test.Then Task Manager shows the following 10 processes:
csrss.ext - 2,356 K
explorer.exe - 8,260 K
lsass.exe - 384 K
services.exe - 2,096 K
smss.exe - 356K
svchost.exe - 1,932 K
System - 216 K
System Idle Process - 24 K
taskmgr.exe - 2,660 K
winlogon.exe - 1,528 KUnder the Performance tab of Task Manager, I get the following:
Physical Memory
Total 225516
Available 182028
System Cache 53224With this, I cannot run CPlay (b25 on this setup, I haven't upgraded it to b26 or b27 yet) outside of cMP, but it does run inside of cMP. Are you trying cPlay inside of or outside of cMP?
Greg in Mississippi
P.S. BTW, cPlay under cMP diagnostics show 'Play starts after RAM load (available 57Mb, system 220MB).
Edits: 07/04/09
Ok thanks,
This looks more like my results.
You have Available 182028
And I have more like 177000
I'll go into deeper comparison later today.
BTW are you using BIOS rev F2 or F3?
Thanks for your help.
Etienne
Etienne,
You didn't say whether you couldn't get cPlay to load just under Windows or under cMP too. Which?
I'll check my BIOS revision and if I get the 'shared memory' message later this afternoon... with the highly-configured BIOS settings and my poorest processor (poorest in terms of how low it can be underclocked), I have to do a BIOS reset each time I reboot this Mobo. I figured I won't be using this processor when I put it in to listen and it may work ok with one of my other processors, so I haven't tried debugging it yet. But to check these for you, I have to do a BIOS reset and then restore the configured BIOS version... and I need to do some real work before I go and do this again.
More later!
Greg in Mississippi
Etienne,
I did a reboot of my GA-EG45M-UD2H and yes, it does also show the 32MB message and is using Bios version 3.
Let us know how you're getting along with this.
Later!
Greg in Mississippi
Greg,
Again, thanks for your help.
I compared your processes in task manager to mine and all of them were about the same size (mine were only few Ks bigger than yours (I suspect SP3 for this))... except for svchost.exe which was twice the size (mine was 3,704k).
I'll look more into that tomorrow.
By the way, I can't get cPlay to load while in cMP so I imagine I won't be able to load them via XP.
I did actually found a way to make it work for now: I had to kill the ciscRemote process (3096k in Process Explorer) before loading files into cPlay. The good news with this technique is that it tells me that i'm really few MB short of being able to load correctly the files.
I'm looking for the magic tweak that will free 2 MB of RAM .... or maybe a new MoBo rev. that will not lock up 34MB of "Shared Memory".
Thanks
Etienne
Etienne,
I get this problem if I start up the Juli@ Panel and don't close it before I start cMP.
Check to see if you have any applications or processes starting up that aren't absolutely needed. Also, is this a dedicated computer with all the optimizations done, especially the driver and Windows components removals? Having too large of a Windows setup running would also cause this.
Greg in Mississippi
Thanks for the suggestion,
It is a dedicated computer and I'm sure there's nothing unnecessary running in the background (I made sure the Juli@Pan was not running).
I did all the optimization + removals. After the initial boot, in the Task Manager the PF usage is at 28Mb and there's only 10 processes running.
I also tried rebooting a couple of times, that didin't work either....
I'll try leaving the computer on for a couple of days for burning and see how this works...
thanks
Etienne
The only thing different I can think of is that I installed a fresh copy of WinXP SP3 instead of SP2. Are there any other optimizations for SP3 that I didin't know of?
Also, a strange thing, under the "General" tab of "System Properties", it says 220MB of RAM instead of 256MB. May I have a faulty Ram stick?!?
Etienne
I THINK I remember having that. I put the stick in and it happened a couple of times and rebooting fixed it. And the weird thing is that it never did after the initial time.
Very strange but that burning in recommendation might be for real.
when I got that I think I rebooted and it cleared up. try it.
that did it thanks back to optimizations/auroruns/kernal/minlogon
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