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In Reply to: RE: Any time your ready we can try your software! posted by Vincent VRS on June 04, 2008 at 14:26:38
"As you know, it takes alot of commitment and resources to do things correctly, this is why I will put nothing on the market until it meets my high quality standards."
Isn't Gordon doing the same with his DAC modules?
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I can.
Listen, all I want to do is to try to get people to understand that there is so much more to computer audio than USB and I'tunes. You can wait all you like for the next big thing for USB, but I can tell you that you can have it all now!
Vincent,
I accept what you are trying to say. There is no argument here.
My involvement with USB is Gordon Rankin. I really enjoy the man's designs and think that they have provided the most musical digital reproduction I have heard. This is my bias and I don't expect the world to fall in line. His upcoming ESS Sabre DAC module for the Crimson has really got me excited. This is cutting edge stuff as far as I am concerned.
I was an early adopter of SACD and DVD-A. I look forward to playing 24/96 on my computers. As for the Reference Recording stuff, they only have 3 releases. I can always purchase another DAC to play their music when the number of titles increases. The good news here is that I can afford more than one DAC!
As for this software thing, I want the convenience that iTunes on a MAC provides. When your software is available, I will certainly consider it. But to screw with the software loading one selection at a time is simply not my idea of a good audiophile experience.
The idea behind all of this effort is to enjoy music. This I have achieved with Wavelength Audio. I can't ask for much more than that.
Best regards,
Dr. Steven Plaskin
"As for this software thing, I want the convenience that iTunes on a MAC provides. When your software is available, I will certainly consider it. But to screw with the software loading one selection at a time is simply not my idea of a good audiophile experience."
Steve, I don't know if you are aware of the fact that you can rip an entire CD into one file, therefore, you will not be limited to loading one file at a time. This is especially necessary for all classical recordings as well as some jazz offerings and other musical genres where they actually wanted the content to be placed in a certain order and not be changed. When you rip tracks seperately, this becomes a problem as most of the time in my experience, some of the gaps and timing are incorrect, loss or abruptly cutoff. Why would someone want to change a masterpiece that took so much time to create. I have talked to a number of audio software developers as well as recording engineers and they become irate at softwares that break their music apart as well as some developers will not create ripping engines that will butcher someones artistry.
Musicians and recording engineers create music that we listen to and enjoy. Why don't we put ourselves in their position and retain their high standards? Have you ever wondered why there is so much devision between the pro world and audiophile world? Artist look for perfection in their craft and who are we to alter it in any way! So for the first time in audio history, we can actually have the same digital frontends that they are using to record with in our homes and all of this is made possible through computer audio. What an acheivement in the recording arts! Numbers mean nothing to me, because in the end, it is the music that touches my soul. I speak this from experience having been a professional musician for over 20 years.
Vincent,
I know you are a good guy and feel strongly about what you are doing. But the way this thing has been presented with your proponent Alan has been most distasteful.
Steve Nugent, Gordon Rankin, and just about everyone else that builds high end audio products have the same love for music that you do.
If you have a product to sell, then present it and the market will determine its value.
In my opinion, your friend Alan has made this an unpleasant place to be in lately.
Steve
Steve,
Thank you for the kind comment as I try to show passion through everything that I put my hands to. As for Alan, he has always been very positive about his post, true to his opinions and has always been a model citizen on this forum. Because one expresses his opinion about his revelatory experiences and his distaste for comments that he does not agree with, it is labled as an insult? To our ownselves be true. I have been cut down many of times as well as insulted on this forum, because of being a manufacture, having underlying motives as well as cut down by my colleagues. I have never pushed or self promoted, but have been accused in the past of doing so. I don't take it personally, I just keep holding my head up and keep on pushing. I want to enlighten people about this technology, and bring the best that computer audio has to offer, but not give away my lively hood. As you said, "If you have a product to sell, then present it and the market will determine its value." I will do just that and let my clients do the talking as you and others have done for Gordon.
I would hope that others here truly have the passion to seek the best that digital has to offer and settle for nothing less!
Sincerely,
Vincent R Sanders
VRS Audio Solutions
"Because one expresses his opinion about his revelatory experiences and his distaste for comments that he does not agree with, it is labled as an insult?"Your friend has nothing to offer us and is obnoxious to those that do help us. And what is the specific relelation in terms of the DAC used and computer program? Can any of us replicate this relevelation without your assistance? Why not represent the reveleation for what it is. I find it absurd for a dealer to alienate potential customers with a need to satisfy a large ego. It is plainly obvious to most of us.
We welcome concrete help and suggestions. Anything less is a mere distraction.
Steve
You have completely misread me and my intentions, And you probably won't like what I have to say now, either. But some truth is a bitter pill. I ask that you try and keep an exceptionally open mind.
You, and countless others, keep presuming that the gear is going to solve your problems, and bring you sonic nirvana. Your equipment list, and equipment history proves this out. As it does for the rest of us. And as Jerry Seinfeld would say...."there's nothing wrong with that". Your most expensive piece (in your computer audio setup) is the DAC, by a large margin (this is NOT a criticism, just a standard observation). You are using free playback software, not only because it's free (who wouldn't?), but because it satisfies your need for convenience. Completely understandable. You've always had fine gear, an envy for most. And you didn't make a mistake in buying any of it, contrary to where you think I'm going. I've followed your path for years, watching upgrade after upgrade (from the CD copying era to the present) hoping that one day I would put together a fine computer audio playback setup that would emulate yours. You were leading the way.
I still feel that the highest quality parts, gear, and cabling are essential for a first class system, and should remain so (especially *after* the front end in a computer-based music system). It's just that in computer audio, the priorities have changed. I came to this realization months ago through VRS. The gear, while important, in many ways is secondary to the software. This is a complete reversal of what we've all been accustomed to and conditioned to over many years, promulgated by reviewers and manufacturers (and I am one as well).
Vincent came to realize, over years of trial-and-error, and tons of investment, that the proper integration and use of high-level professional software created a higher level of transparency, resolution, and musicality. Without the optimization of both software and hardware, the music system simply would not reproduce what it was designed to do, and capable of doing. Everything was being held back by the playback software, no different than audiophile gear over the years has been held back by inferior cabling. He has proven this over and over again for private customers. He cannot quantify for you, or anyone else, what you wish to know. You need to hear it. Plain and simple. But of course, that's up to you.
There is no sense in further explaining my words vis-a-vis Gordon (you obviously have a large financial interest in defending him, which is understandable), and you have completely ignored my complimentary language....I *always* give credit where credit is due, and Gordon has a long, long list of accomplishments. He deserves the kudos. But your description of me fits him aptly as well, as I've heard from the other side of the peanut gallery. He and I have a history of butting heads (on other matters), which I will largely chalk up to, first-and-foremost, a personality conflict. That's life, and I wish him well in all his endeavors. Truly.
This all being said, please read this post to Tony. It will better explain what VRS is all about, and why I became a customer. And to paraphrase what I said to Tony, I apologize for our disagreements and bad feelings. That was never my intention.
Thanks for your response Alan.Last year Vincent pointed out that the Audio Editing software sounded better than iTunes. I confirmed this. When Apple went to Leopard, and shortly thereafter ugraded iTunes, the difference wasn't as great. I have no doubt that Vincent has some great ideas. I would always be willing to have a shoot out with the Crimson and Vincent's computer. I am always happy to purchase the "better" product.
Steve
Vincent
I am aware of this type of file and have done it in the past. But thanks for the suggestion.
Steve
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