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With the recent release of volume III of the Living Presence mega collections (53 CD's in this case), we've been given an opportunity to re-examine some newly remastered Living Presence titles as well as a couple of issues which have never been available on CD before.
Some of the new titles and remasterings from this box have also become available as high-rez downloads. I've obtained a couple in hi-rez (24/96), and I'm very excited about them. To take the new remastering first, the Dorati/New Philharmonia set of the Tchaikovsky Orchestra Suites is simply astounding. It was one of the very last Living Presence recordings undertaken (1966, in Watford Town Hall):
In the September issue of TAS, there's a feature article about the mega-set by Arthur Lintgen, and although the sheer number of titles in the set means that Lintgen's comments about individual performances must necessarily be on the superficial side, he nevertheless manages to include some very interesting information. In addition, the program booklet that comes with the download also presents additional information. Both Lintgen and the program booklet reveal that, in contrast to the usual Mercury team (recording director Wilma Cozart, chief engineer C. Robert Fine, assistant engineer Robert Eberenz, and musical supervisor Harold Lawrence), the team that recorded the Tchaikovsky Suites (producer Harold Lawrence, recording engineer Hans Lauterslager, and assistant engineer Henri de Fremery) was mainly a Philips group, with only Harold Lawrence maintaining the continuity. The interesting thing about this is that, although the engineers were from Philips, they still used only three microphones, just as the Mercury team had done. It turns out that these microphones were slightly different from the ones that the Cozart/Fine team had used: Schoeps MK23's, rather than Schoeps/Telefunken M201's.
I used to have the LP incarnation of this set, and it sounded somewhat thin to me - not anywhere near Mercury's best efforts. I chalked this up to the gradual deterioration of the Mercury pressings during the late 60's. This set was also available as an indifferently produced Philips Duo CD album, which didn't sound so thin, but still sounded pretty bland. Now, with this new 2014 remastering, we FINALLY hear the glorious sound that the Philips team captured, using Mercury's own techniques. I'm almost inclined to say that, aside from the 35mm recordings, this is the greatest recording in terms of SQ I've ever heard of a Mercury title. It's SO terrific, the way that the direct sound relates to the hall SO colorfully (and symbiotically!). And I've never heard another recording of these suites that's within hailing distance of these Dorati performances.
Lintgen, reviewing the CD's rather than the high-rez downloads, comments,The most important of those late Mercury recordings was the four Tchaikovsky Orchestral Suites, recorded in 1966, featuring Dorati conducting the New Philharmonia Orchestra with unrivalled dynamic impact in works that can sound bland in the hands of many conductors. The sound retains the usual Mercury dynamics, but there is a subtle dryness that is not usually present on earlier Mercuries.I can't help but feel that if Lintgen had heard the 24/96 hi-rez downloads rather than the CD's, he would not have put that last qualification in his observations. IMHO, two-channel recording from that era just does not get any better than this!
Another recording from this set which has never before been available on CD is the Dorati/Minneapolis recording of Beethoven's Eroica Symphony. This was a rather (in)famous recording in the early days of stereo (1957), mainly for the claim that at least one reviewer made that Mercury got the microphone placement wrong (!). There was a review in HiFi Review at that time (not yet HiFi Stereo Review, much less Stereo Review), wherein the reviewer claimed that in the grinding dissonances in the middle of the first-movement development section (E-natural against F-natural), all he could hear were the oboes (playing E-natural and C-natural) - he couldn't hear the French horns (playing concert F-natural) at all! When I heard the LP some years later, I could kind of understand what the reviewer was talking about (although I did think he was exaggerating), as well as sharing his view about the dryness of Northrup Auditorium in Minneapolis. Now, in this magnificent new remastering, the SQ, although comparatively colored (Neumann KM-56 microphones on the right and left) and still a bit dry, has come up like the proverbial roses. The same spot in the development section now sounds perfectly balanced and the instruments have much more depth in their tone (again, allowing for the dryness of the hall). The new transfer was done by the team of John K. Chester and Jamie Howarth and the mastering for compact disc was done by none other than Thomas Fine. Dorati's performance is slashing and driving in a way that not everyone will like, but, again, I must say that I had no idea that the performance was actually this good!
Even with this third mega-volume of Mercury recordings (with some, like the Dorati Eroica, never before issued on CD), there are STILL some Mercury recordings which have never appeared on CD, the most substantial of which IMO is the Schumann Fourth Symphony with Dorati and the LSO. Also lacking are the Beethoven Symphonies 1 and 2 with Paray, and the Haydn Symphonies 59 and 81 with Dorati. One can always hope that the whole catalog will become available at some point, because what's already here (which is the vast majority of Mercury recordings) is marvellous indeed!![]()
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And it's already up for streaming on QOBUZ at least, if only at 16/44.1.
DECCA reissued this as a 2 CD set in 2009(green cover).
Don't know if there is any SQ difference for us low-life streamers.
The new Mercury issue sure sounds good though.
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Tidal has the 2 cd Decca. The sound is very different. The Decca is big and warm. Very beautiful. The Mercury is typical Mercury. Bright in your face. Very realistic sounding.
Alan
Guess I need a new DAC. ;-)
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Not the same mix, but CLOSE.
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Mercury Golden Imports version.
Liking this version, wet or dry! ;-)
Noticed the 4th movement of Suite 1 a BIT tipped up but overall I'm really enjoying it.
It's filed under New "Philharmonia Orchestra" and "Tchaikovsky: 4 Suites For Orchestra" on QOBUZ and does not show up in searches for "Mercury Living Presence" or Dorati. I suspect a lot of stuff is there for streaming if one can just figure out how it is cataloged.
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I was having trouble finding it on Tidal and then I tried "Tchaikovsky: 4 Suites For Orchestra" and it popped right up
Alan
Seems the way most of this stuff is tagged on the big data bases was set up for 'pop' music. Drives me crazy. Plus TIDAL only gives you 30 or so choices for each search as opposed to QOBUZ which seems infinite (10,000+ for 'Beethoven').
That said, this the the DECCA 2009 release not the Mercury 2015 release that's on QOBUZ. Are they different?
My aged ears and limited audiophile streaming equipment can't tell as on first glance but will keep switching back and forth and report back.
I currently subscribe to TIDAL, DEEZER Elite, QOBUZ and Spotify. Need to cut back a bit. ;-)
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"That said, this the the DECCA 2009 release not the Mercury 2015 release that's on QOBUZ. Are they different?"
The "Decca Music Group Limited" has really muddied the waters with its reissues of music from other labels under its own name. In fact, the 24/96 file I was discussing is shown on the download site I used (HD Tracks) as being on the Decca label, even though the cover art is from the original Mercury LP's (including the Mercury logo). The accompanying booklet for this download shows the following information: "Remastering - 2014 Decca Music Group Limited", so this certainly appears to be different from the 2009 remastering (which I haven't heard), although I do find it strange to have two remasterings so close together in time. The Tchaikovsky Suites appeared as part of a group of downloads associated with the new Mercury mega-box (released in March of this year), which contained such items at the Dorati Beethoven 3, the Copland 3 (mono only), etc., which had never before been released on CD. So again, I'm pretty sure that the Tchaikovsky Suites downloaded from HD Tracks is a new (2014) remastering, rather than the 2009 remastering. No question, it's confusing.
Try Classicsonline. It is only classical and very good. They stream a lot of 24/96 and 24/192 files
Alan
As soon as I drop Spotify and one of the other three (DEEZER, TIDAL and QOBUZ).
And if I like hi-rez better I'm screwed, right?
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I really don't feel the Hi-Rez files to sound any better then the 16/44 files. I am not a fan of Hi-Rez
Alan
I'm with you, amigo.
Why would anyone want high resolution digital, when one may have low resolution digital?
Hell, 16/44 is already way too high.
I'd go for mp3. Even better bring it down to 8 bits, or even 4 or 2. How many bits do you really need, anyway? Total waste, and just another example of how they're trying to take away our rights and send us off to their training camps.
I strongly prefer cassettes to LP's, and mini-cassettes to regular ones. I prefer 78's to those, and acoustic 78's are way better than electric ones.
But, WAY WAY WAY better are Edison wax cylinders.
The ultimate, as we know, are 2 cans attached by a string. The only question that remains is: wet string or dry?
The very worst sound is the actual, "live" sound of a musical instrument --- or anything at all.
N. Thelman, SSI
I have it on lp and also have never been very impressed with it.
Dave
Could it be the Mercury Golden Imports version above?
That's the version I have on LP. Actually, have 2 or 3, but that's just me collecting everything I find in a record store. =:-0
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Funny, as the two Mercury box sets I have (that and Szeryng concertos) are both gold label promos, but my recollection is that neither is among my better sounding Mercury's. As I said, I'll give them another listen, probably next week.Dave
Edits: 08/21/15
Not that one, it's the standard box, I'll take a picture of the labels later tonight. My whole system is down at the moment, when I get it back up I'll give it another listen.
Dace
back a few years ago when I was madly collecting used vinyl.
Bought every MHS in every record store I went into.
ALL RCA dogs of any color. All dogs will be MINE!!!
Anything Classical with DECCA on it, BUY IT AT ANY PRICE!!!
London 'Blue Back'? Any color back, it did not matter.
Madness, yes.
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I find your compulsions interesting, intriguing, and most hilarious. Indeed, your humor is amazing.
Have you since stopped your compulsive vinyl collecting?
At the risk of setting you off again, back in my vinyl days, I compared some no-dogs to shaded and white dogs. I don't recall the titles anymore, but to my astonishment, I found a few no dogs to be superior to shaded dogs - at least according to my priorities.
Feel free to share your collecting experiences in detail. We'd love to read them.
N. Thelman, SSI
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Funny that all four suites were all written between the time of the Fourth and Fifth Symphonies. I think it was one of the movements from the First Suite that reportedly caused women to faint! ;-)
Available for streaming on QOBUZ and TIDAL but that's about it.No CD but might be downloadable from the regular suspects but likely only 16/44.1.
Oh, and mp3 from Amazon.
Likely taken from Mercury Living Presence tapes, or so it seems.
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Fixed!
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The usual CD reissue encountered. . .
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. . . is a combination of the following original LP's:
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The photo of the CD reissue is a poorer reproduction of the one on the Paray Mass LP, but with the image reversed - similar to the stunt they pulled with the CD reissue of the Puyana "Golden Age of Harpsichord Music" album:
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Look at the picture above closely and think how absurd it is! Here's the original LP cover:
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Edits: 08/19/15
from Diapason in France.
Link below:
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...that Puyana was left-handed and he played a left-handed piano.
A harpsichord is just an 'Historically Informed' piano. ;-)
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