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In Reply to: RE: Is magnepan giving up on big panels? posted by josh358 on September 30, 2023 at 18:35:12
with MG1.6's I can't imagine anything larger that would've fit in that living room. Our unit was on the end and upstairs but I never really played them super loud. Fortunately my neighbors were military and folks who rented so they sometimes played music (sorta) loud.
But after a year of sitting in my living room where the speakers were, and watching every family member walk pass to the kitchen a hundred times a day, I made the decision to place the unit on the market for a home - penalties and all. Fortunately we made a $80K profit when we sold it (hot housing market back in 2003!) and we bought a home where I had a 20'x 40' room which I split in half for a home gym.
Personally when I picture a "Maggie for condos" I think of a beefed up floor standing "mini Maggie" or something between a LRS and 3 series (I'm guessing) vs anything larger -otherwise you basically have a Ferrari you could never shift pass 1st gear (unless you really have cool neighbors!).
Just my opine.
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It's different. Tall, but the panel is only 12" wide.
Tall WAF friendly 11" wide planar that really needs low end reinforcement but can be done with subs placed largely out of sight.
That's what Acoustat did in 1985 with the 1+1! I use them in the HT system today with a pair of powered subs placed at room diagonals. :)
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Are you the hunter in the family ?
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neither of us is. Wifey's choice and we just added a Mallard behind the left MC1.
I am, however, an avid target shooter and reloader.
Bought my best man a Dillon XL650 with 2 tool heads and case cleaner.
In hindsight, I should have bought 2 with all of the new ammo restrictions.
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Nice progressive!
Mine is a modest RCBS Rock Chucker given to me by a cousin long ago. It was not operable at the time and it took me a while to free to piston. Has worked fine for decades but has considerable patina.
"Too slow" sez inmate Victor. Pics of mine and his (family!) in thread. :)
Dang, looks like Victor is all in.
Private individuals used to offer free reloading classes around here until the state stepped in and made the classes illegal under the guise of calling private classes unlicensed gun manufacturers. Big difference between teaching a private class and being a manufacturer. None of them were selling anything. Any and all purchases were made through proper channels. Sharing knowledge, safety and best practices was made illegal.
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Nice choice!!
I had 1+1 in a 2 channel stereo room but one lightly snapped. Let them go. Still using 2+2 in that room. Have a pair of Spectra 11 for the fronts of the HT system in a different room. Electrostatics make great fronts!!
Your interest may vary but the results will be same. (Byrd 2020)
I can't compete with the dead. (Buck W. 2010)
Cowards can't be heroes. (Byrd 2017)
Why don't catfish have kittens? (Moe Howard 1937)
with MC1s used as surrounds. Most folks have no idea what they are. :)
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I love the 1+1's -- have a friend who has them.
Anyway, the challenge we faced was getting the subs to sound as good as planar bass. That meant dipoles, because they excite fewer room modes/pour 2.7 dB less energy into the room.
The problem with dipoles is that they're big! The idea here was to make a capable woofer that is unobtrusive or can slide behind a couch. That meant dynamic drivers, which can move more air than a planar with the same surface area. It also meant using the side walls for extra bass reinforcement. And it meant using multiple small drivers, along with the fact that small drivers sound better than big ones, along with the V shape that Wendell came up with. Then getting custom drivers that can push more air. And then something else that I still can't discuss because they never get around to filing for the damn patent.
The woofers work great with any kind of dipole, BTW -- Wendell was showing them with some Martin-Logan panels to make that point.
from what I've read is the Maggie dipole woofers operate a good octave or two above typical subwoofers. If Wendell disabled the woofer in the M-Ls, they would have to cover up to about 300 hz.
The 1+1s respond down to 35 hz but are ultimately excursion limited at higher outputs. Mine are actively crossed at 80 hz.
Yep, that's why it's so important that they have a wide bandwidth, though not 10,000 Hz! The typical sub doesn't play high enough.
Interesting about the 1+1s response.
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Just don't expect Toccata and Fugue in D Minor to pressurize the room!
The term condo (condominium) is a type of ownership, not an architectural style category. Very unfortunate name choice by Magnepan in my opinion.
A condo can be a duplex, townhouse, apartment unit, or single family detached house. It can be most any size.
But maybe I'm the only one bothered by their choice. ;^)
"The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing, if you can fake that you've got it made." Groucho
And, of course, the speaker can be used in a house of any sort and size...
Hey josh,
I thought the design intent was to work well in smaller living spaces, such as a typical urban apartment with maybe 3-4 rooms. Not true?
But then to substitute Apartment for Condo, resulting in ASS, might not go over well either.
"The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing, if you can fake that you've got it made." Groucho
Good question!
I'd say that it was primarily designed as the proverbial spouse-friendly Maggie, for the customers who say "I'd love to buy 20.7's but my spouse won't permit something that big in the living room, so I'm going to get the LRS+ instead." :-)
They did a lot of research about what spouses find acceptable -- consulted an interior director, held focus groups. And that was factor #1.
Factor #2 was that Wendell decreed that any design had to fit in his convenience apartment. :-) A lot of the early development and experiments took place there. So Wendell hit up on the 30.7 for Condos marketing idea.
It's true as well that we really didn't know how capable it would be. The woofers are designed to be small -- unobtrusive, easy to conceal -- and that necessarily limits their output. However, the custom woofers proved to be extremely capable, and even the less capable off-the-shelf woofers used in the focus group demonstrations were able to fill a large room with satisfying bass. I think it's safe to say that they're comparable to the large panels in output.
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