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In Reply to: RE: I think the likelihood is that Dugin's writings. . . posted by SLL on May 01, 2024 at 16:09:11
. . . just as Tucker contended. All I did was report what Tucker said - which seems to have triggered you for whatever reason.
BTW, if Dugin is "widely known" as a "fascist, xenophobic, anti-Semitic, racist thinker", then surely you'll have some actual evidence which you can quote. Or are you just parroting what some MSM guru of the "official narrative" has told you to think?
Oh well - Thanks for playing anyway! ;-)
Follow Ups:
Geez Chris, I thought you understood. When you post paranoid fantasies and cite Tucker Carlson as your credible source, the obligation is on you to prove it, not on me to disprove. So you would have to show that the book was widely available before, but not now. But ok, here goes: The Rise of the Fourth Political Theory, one of the only Dugin books translated to English, is available at Politics and Prose in DC for $19.95. But save your money and download it for free from Wordpress.com.
Regarding actual content, I have a non-commercially available translation of substantial portions of
Foundations of Geoplitics in my personal collection. See Book 2, Part 5: The Khazarian Question (specifically at the sub-heading "The Jews and Eurasia") for just a smattering of his anti-semitism.
What exactly does Dugin contend that you find so anti-Semitic? (Actual quotes would be appreciated - not just your usual generalizations. TIA.)
As for the first part of your post, please see my reply to srl1 above. In fact, here's an easy link to it:
Cmon Chris, don't be so intellectually lazy. I mean, I know you've been spoon-fed easy talking points from "Tucker" and his ilk for years. but that's not how serious stuff works. You've got to put in the effort. So here's an assignment for you: Read Dugin for yourself, like I have, and then come back to us and make your case for how he's not an anti-semite. Good luck.
And don't presume to give me assignments. In any case, I watched Dugin's interview with Tucker and didn't see any hint of anti-Semitism there. If you make the claim, the burden of proof is on you - don't let your laziness tempt you to try to weasel out of this. (In fact, I rather suspect that your assertion about Dugin's "anit-Semitism" was not derived from your own reading, but rather was spoon-fed to you from one of the usual MSM/CON gurus reading off a script.) ;-)
lol! So your point is that in an interview with Tucker Carlson that you watched on youtube, Dugin didn't say "Oh, and btw, I hate jews.". So QED? Really? Foundations is essentially his textbook, so you don't take one quotation out of it, and say "voila"! As I said, this is serious stuff requiring thoughtful contemplation. But I'll make an exception for you and give you what you apparently need, the oversimplified Cliff's Notes:
Dugin puts Jews in two baskets, the good Jews and the bad Jews. The good Jews are the ultra-Zionists who believe all Jews belong in Israel. (You see, this view is consistent with his own Ultra-nationalist view of Russia.). Bad Jews are those from the diaspora who have been influenced by the evils of western liberalism (e.g., democracy, market economies, individual rights and freedoms, etc.). These bad Jews are at least partly responsible for much of what has gone wrong in Russia and everywhere else.
There you go. Am surprised this didn't come up in the Tucker Carlson interview.
QED referred to your making an assertion about Dugin's "anti-Semitism" and then being too lazy to back it up in your previous posts. It didn't have anything to do with Dugin's interview with Carlson.
Now that you've replied in a bit more detail, I think it's fair to say that your evidence is a bit. . . uh. . . underwhelming. There are "good" and "bad" examples of people in every ethnic category. And it's rather telling that you're unable to find an actual quote which supports your assertion that Dugin is the prolific anti-Semitic writer you claim he is.
Oh dear, Chris. And Ezra Pound was deeply misunderstood, wasn't he? Maybe you should just find that rock and crawl back underneath it.
". . . Maybe you should just find that rock and crawl back underneath it."The essence of your argument laid bare for all to see and contemplate! ROTFLMAO! (Not to mention worthy of yet another QED!)
Edits: 05/06/24
Guess my work here is done then...-.
SLL - do try to ignore him
Thanks, but I rather enjoyed it. He's an interesting combination of arrogance and ignorance. But he traffics in dangerous misinformation, so I feel compelled to provide my fellow inmates with the facts and truth when his stuff gets particularly egregious.
+1 understood
I haven't read his stuff only saw the Tucker interview so have no opinion yet.
as I explained to Chris, it doesn't lend itself to each quotes, but here's a paper that contains an extensive appendix with large, translated excerpts. Read it and decide for yourself:
https://digitalcommons.du.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2516&context=etd
261 pages! And Dugin had nothing to do with that paper.
I didn't see quotes from Dugin. Not that I looked, sheesh.
Not sure you understand. The last 116 pages are his words (translated). I have a more extensive translation in hard copy, but the translations are consistent.
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