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Even the head of Ukrainian Intelligence says so. I guess we'll have to file the "Putin murdered him" theory in with poor old Theresa May's fantasy that it was "highly likely" Putin also killed the Skripals. What a shame for true believers everywhere! And darn it! For years, the CIA and MI6 had been grooming Navalny to be the Juan Guaido of Russia (just as with the original Venezuelan Juan Guaido - Pompeo's pet project you remember - which didn't work out so well either). I guess that was an investment of our tax dollars that didn't pay off. In fact, I even read a theory that it was the Brits who might actually have offed Navalny. And wasn't it convenient that Navalny's wife just happened to be in Munich when all this happened so she could give a "surprise" oration at the Munich Security Conference to the assembled US vassals when the news of her husband's death broke? I mean, you can't make this stuff up!
From NHK Japan this past Sunday:The head of Ukraine's Defence Intelligence says Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny died from a blood clot, denying speculation that he was killed while in prison.
Kyrylo Budanov was quoted as telling reporters on Sunday that "I may disappoint you, but we know he died from a blood clot," adding that it was "more or less confirmed."
Navalny, the outspoken critic of Russian President Vladimir Putin, reportedly died in an Arctic prison colony on February 16.
BTW, speaking of the Brits, it looks like they've certainly got THEIR priorities in order - just like us! Don't worry about how thier own population suffers - as long as the population in Bandera-kraine does the dying, as they continue to try to kill Russians, down to the last Ukrainian! It's such a great deal for our chicken hawks in congress when Ukrainians do all the dying!
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I'm guessing that his immune system never worked too well after that unfortunate episode...
No matter the cause of death, he was still in an Arctic "Gulag" when he died, correct? Natural causes vs. Putin's kill-order is really splitting hairs here.
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Dmitri Shostakovich
What evidence do you have that Putin gave a kill order - other than the shrieks and screams of our MSM?
Really? Alaska State prisons are like Russian Arctic prisons?
The crux of my statement is that it doesn't matter whether Putin issued a kill order. I only assumed for the sake of argument (arguendo), that he did. It was pretty easy to assume, though.
. . . along with much of the rest of the western world whose news sources are exclusively western MSM propaganda stories. Thank you for the clarification.
As for Russian prisons vs. Alaska prisons, I wouldn't ASSUME too much on that subject either. After all, didn't Tucker Carlson just show us that the NY subway stations (with their caked urine) don't compare very favorably with Russia's "candelabra" subway stations. (Thank you, John Stewart - LOL!) Same could be true of prisons too. As I say, I wouldn't assume too much myself! ;-)
It's a classic style of argument. I'm sorry that you don't like it. It's designed,in part, to avoid debating the merits of the assumed fact. Now, I see that that can't be avoided here.
What incentive does Putin have for providing tolerable prisons? What's his version of our 8th amendment?
Frankly, I wouldn't know about what the incentive is to build tolerable prisons in Russia, other than the fact that many new building projects are being undertaken in the country and they seem to continue apace, with the post-sanctions economy being in such good shape!
But OTOH, what incentive would Putin have to kill Navalny at this stage? Navalny's death would take the limelight away from the Russians' capture of the strategic town of Avdiivka (or Avdeyevka) and Ukraine's general rout now going on. It would also bring further publicity to Nevalny who is known to only about 2% of the Russian population at this point (despite our western MSM doing its best to fan the flames of publicity and outrage!). I mean, really, what's in it for Putin to kill off Navalny?
I hold Putin responsible for Navalny's death regardless of whether the proximate cause was natural. Who can say that Navalny's poisoning 3 years ago wasn't the ultimate cause?
... And don't tell me there's no "proof" that Putin was responsible for Navalny's poisoning -- I'm not that gullible.
FWIW, my father died of a stroke caused by blood clot as my mother was told, at age 41 -- probably natural.
Dmitri Shostakovich
BTW, did you notice that the quote in my OP was from the UKRAINIAN intelligence chief and was reported by NHK in JAPAN (i.e., the Japanese equivalent of the BBC)? Japan - a country which is on "our" side in foreign policy.
You're one of those people, who is all too eager to believe some cockamamie conjecture fed to you my Western MSM propaganda sources ("Putin killed him!") - as long as it fits with your pre-existing hate.
So you're "not that gullible"? Spare me!
BTW, sorry about your father, but that only adds to the credibility of the blood clot being the basis for Navalny's death (for those who think he was too young to have something like that happen to him).
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. . . who also claimed Navalny died of a blood clot? And a Ukrainian source at that. Pretty weak stuff you've got there, vacuous.
And to hear you tell it, maybe we should also start respecting Stalin - because he's dead after all, isn't he? How long do they have to be dead before we can start disrespecting them again? A curious notion you have there.
We have our own clots to worry about.
A medical report saying "death due to blood clot" is about as informative as "death due to heart stopping".
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John K
Well JDK, I do believe that the fact that putin didn't kill Navalny is proof positive that putin is a good guy. It should be obvious to everyone at this point. Most people in the world think Nazis are bad, right?
So let us stop talkin' falsely now, the hour's getting late --
Robert Allen Zimmerman
Putin doesn't need to stop killing people to prove he's a good guy.
Allowing the leaking of a bullshit death certificate is proof enough.
Navalny's family must be grateful!
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John K
Died of blood clot from punctured lung or died of blood clot from brain trauma etc are examples of not bullshit reasons.
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John K
Your phrase was "bullshit death certificate". The death certificate (as reported by the CBC and other sources) says "died of natural causes" - not "died of a blood clot". It was the Head of Ukrainian Intelligence who said "blood clot", exactly as I reported in my OP for this thread.
I swear, trying to keep you zealots on track is a never ending job!
Look at the George Floyd case-the initial medical report said he died from lethal levels of fentanyl, it wasn't until later we discovered the real cause of death.
Which any reasonable person could see was bullshit from the start.
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John K
Apparently, Navalny made a great show of refusing the Russian (non-MRNA) Covid vaccine and having the western Pfizer vaccine specially imported for himself (the original two jabs plus two "boosters" - IOW, he was more vaccinated than Ms. CfL or I have been!).
But you're of course right that we still await the "final" medical report.
In the meantime, check this out:
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I wonder where Ivan303 went? He seemed to live on this forum and now apparently hasn't posted since January. He seemed to wear his jabs as a badge of honor. Hopefully he is ok and is just taking a break and didn't succumb to clots.
I heard about these mysterious clots a couple of years ago after watching a video of these clots being pulled from veins after mysterious deaths. But when I brought it up I was deemed a science denier, conspiracy theorist and part of the ignorant masses. Then it was being forced on people if they wanted to work (doctors, nurses, military etc), eat in restaurants etc. In my small circle of friends 3 have had life changing negative reactions to getting the jab and their way of life has been greatly diminished. I had shared my concerns with all 3 of them, but they made their own decision based on fear driven by science and the media. It's pretty sad stuff to see. It was crazy how the jab was pushed by the media and everyone who stood to make a buck.
That's something straight outa SNL or The Onion . OTOH, Jimmy was a comedian so it makes a strange kinda cosmic sense.
Are you saying Dr. John Campbell and Jimmy Dore are lying about this?
If so there are plenty of other sources for the same info. Plenty!Edit: Actually Dr John is late to disclose this, he's known to be a very cautious voice. John O'Looney came out years ago. Now the reports are 85% of cadavers have these never before seen clots. Even in children.
Adding: Dr Campbell was visibly shaken in the first video where he reported on this. Not unlike Bret Weinstein was shaken after returning from the Darien Gap.
It's not called The Great Awakening for nothing. Buckle up.
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You're trying to have a conversation like this:Spring is here!
He is?
Not he is, IT is!
It is what?
It is HERE!
Who is here?
SPRING is here!
He is?
Nilknerf is stating something is true but seems unable to state outright exactly what it is that's true? Say it, don't imply it and leave it to interpretation.
Therefore, can't be true.
Is that your logic, Steve? (Landru, protect us!)
. . . that the multiple reports of unusual and large blood clots (which started appearing around 2021) are not reported by our MSM, even though there is ample visual evidence for them.Do you only believe what the MSM presents to you?
Edits: 02/29/24
What does this have to do Navalny's death. Say it unambiguously. Don't imply.
So here it is again, in different words, so that maybe this will be clearer to you:
Maybe Navalny's blood clot is one of these new kinds of blood clots which have suddenly appeared since 2021 (as discussed on the Jimmy Dore video). This in turn may be related to his insistence on taking the Pfizer vaccine rather than the non-MRNA Sputnik vaccine which was the norm in Russia. Obviously, none of this can be proven. It's just something to consider as a possibility.
And by use of words like "may" and "maybe" you clearly acknowledge the speculative nature of the mRNA/blood clot connection. But I'm mildly surprised you bring up clotting at all as Navalny's cause of death since as you note elsewhere, the "official" Russian statement is that it was "natural" in nature. The clot thing is apparently from Ukraine. In the past you've described most Ukrainian sourced info as war time propaganda not to be trusted. In this case it's trustworthy? All this assumes that Navalny did indeed receive an mRNA vaccine, something by itself highly speculative. But that's another discussion.
And then there's the Dore video. You seem to present this as support for the mRNA/clot connection theory. But it really doesn't do that at all. The sub-video dore cuts to and from is loaded with phrases like "speculating is forbidden", "what it could well be", "we don't live in a free world", "can't say out loud what we truly believe to be true" etc. The old British sounding guy is pretty clear that what's been discovered is a correlation, not cause/effect. This is reinforced by someone else's comment "Why isn't this being studied or front page news?". IOW, the basis of Dore's video is really just a lament about lack of attention and cancel-culture. It's not in any way support or proof of the vaccine/clot connection. I'm not sure why you posted the link.
Speaking of words like "may" and "maybe", I note your use the following construction: "You seem to present this as support for the mRNA/clot connection theory. But it really doesn't do that at all. The sub-video dore cuts to and from is loaded with phrases like "speculating is forbidden", "what it could well be", "we don't live in a free world", "can't say out loud what we truly believe to be true" etc."Perhaps you don't know how YouTube has rather Procrustean guidelines in videos about Covid, and if you stray from the approved narrative, your videos can be de-monetized and/or taken down. That fact explains the references you quoted in the Dore video.
As for my quote of the Ukrainian secret police guy, yes - you're right. Normally I would not trust this guy at all. But is it in his interest to say the Navalny died of a blood clot? I would say no - especially when he prefaces his statement with "sorry to disappoint you". Therefore, his statement becomes much more credible IMHO. BTW, Mearsheimer has also said he's convinced it was blood clot. You seem to be opposed to that idea on general principle - am I wrong?
Meanwhile, no one here has presented a shred of evidence that Navalny was killed on Putin's orders.
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I have no problem with a clot type cause of death but clot alone is insufficient. For Navalny specifically, mRNA vaccine sequela is just too speculative wo way more info. I know tons of persons that got mRNA covid vaccines and boosters. I know tons of persons that caught covid. I know of two that died of covid. I know of one younger person that had a mild case of myocarditis attributable to mRNA vaccine. I know of no one that died with/of huge multiple cm clots. So while an mRNA clot could be a possible cause of death, I find it highly unlikely esp considering Navalny's relationship with Putin.
While you may believe YouTube has Procrustean guidelines, they're apparently not very effective: you knew exactly what Dore and Co. were claiming.
The reason the video wasn't more specific and call it by name is because they knew their video would be removed because it goes against the government narrative on the safety of the mRNA vaccine. It's called cover up and censorship of the facts.
No problemo!
Dr. Campbell (although his doctoral degree is in nursing) is WAY more credible than, for instance, Dr. Fauci (who ought to be in prison for the rest of his life, considering what he's done).
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