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In Reply to: RE: Yes, I Have! posted by ahendler on December 13, 2016 at 10:48:05
Alan when I say "my friend" there's nothing passive aggressive or sarcastic meant on my part. To me you're one of my online audio "friends." Now while I suppose audio acquaintance would be a closer rendition of what we actually are. I feel using the term "my acquaintance" would come off more like what your suggesting I meant! Trust me, I'm not a subtle type of person. When I'm being sarcastic or aggressive ---{I'm never passive in my aggressiveness}--- you'll definitely know what I'm being. In the meantime I suppose this will be one of those topics where we'll just have to agree to disagree until someone does a test comparing the same exact song, in the same room, on the same audio system, at the exact same volume. And then adding both random noise from 12 kHz to 20 kHz and a super-tweeter and have people listen for whether or not there are audible differences between those two, or not. I believe it would be a waste of time for us to discuss this any further as you won't be able to convince me I'm wrong in my beliefs and I'm quite sure I won't be able to convince you you're wrong in your beliefs either. So until those tests are run, neither of us will know who's opinion is correct...
I'm listening to: Feel The Rhythm by Daria
Thetubeguy1954 (Tom Scata)
Central Florida Audio Society -- SETriodes Group -- Space Coast Audio Society
Full-range/Wide-range Drivers --- Front & Back-Loaded Horns --- High Sensitivity Speakers
Follow Ups:
This is one of the ongoing problems in audiophileland. Armchair "audio experts" develop "beliefs" which, only when reality smacks them on the head will they change, if then. This is despite that their beliefs are often unfounded, unproven, incorrect, or based on what they read in some audio magazine or from other audiophiles.
Hi Inmate!
I can definitely see some truth in what you said. But unless extensive tests are done, we'll never know who's right or wrong will we? It's quite possible one of those armchair "audio experts" you spoke of, might have actually developed a "belief" that's correct!
I recently had an a new audio friend that I met at one of our local Audio Society meeting over to listen to my audio system, a Mastersound Reference 845, Integrated amp, YBA Genesis CD4 CDP and Beauhorn Virtuoso speakers. As we spoke between recordings he asked why I had 3 different pairs of ICs, 4 different pairs of speaker-wires and 3 different digital wires. I replied that whenever I make a change in my system by replacing say one CDP with a different CDP or if add a new audio component, like the Musical Paradise MP-D2 DAC I'm looking at, then I try all these wires over again. So that I can see which one sounds best with the new system configuration!
He laughed a little and said to me " You really believe those different ICs, speaker-wires or digital wires sound noticeably different? I told him I know they sound different and I'll show you they do. After replacing the ICs we were using with a different pair, I noticed a look on his face that revealed to me he heard, not just a difference, but a very noticeable difference in their sonics! Which is exactly what he said as soon as the song stopped. His problem was created before coming to my home. He had tried different ICs on his system, but, didn't hear a significant difference and came to the immediate conclusion that 1) wires all sound the same and 2) those who say differently are just fooling themselves. That's NOT what he believes today.
Inmate, my friend, if there's any "problem" with audiophiles/music lovers, it's that they often form staunch opinions based on too little knowledge, experience, or trials. We all only know what we know about audio based from what we've heard. Then we form opinions based on the knowledge we have or we create a post on some audio forum based from that same audio knowledge. While the reality is that those opinions we've formed could actually change based on the very next audio system we listen to...
I'm listening to: Across The Rubicon by Silhouette
Thetubeguy1954 (Tom Scata)
Central Florida Audio Society -- SETriodes Group -- Space Coast Audio Society
Full-range/Wide-range Drivers --- Front & Back-Loaded Horns --- High Sensitivity Speakers
"unless extensive tests are done, we'll never know who's right or wrong will we? "
If you'd read your AES and ASA journals, you'd know that a plethora of tests, experiments, studies and research have been done for at least 70 years!
Ya gotta get your head out of the audiophile mags and read some real science. Start here: "Why You Hear What You Hear" by Dr. Eric Heller. Go from there.
:)
I am not an Armchair audio expert. I am a degreed electrical engineer, a longtime recording engineer at the largest recording studio in Chicago and technical adviser to two brick and mortar high end audio stores in Chicago. I am the engineer on Buddy Miles Them Changes album, have recorded the Chicago symphony, over 2000 TV and radio commercials and many location recordings. If I am not qualified to comment about this hobby then I am not too sure that you are qualified either. Next time try to get your facts straight before commenting.
Alan
My post was directed at tubeguy1954. Did I put it in the wrong place?
:)
Sorry if I misunderstood. When there are a lot of posts it is sometimes hard to determine who is being referenced. Well at least I got my credentials out there again. I do want to say that this is a free and open forum. Not really a professional forum even though there are pros here. I do not want to turn off anybody from posting here no matter what there background is. Anything that spurs conversation is good although I wish we, including me, would keep personal attacks out of our discussions
Alan
Hi ahendler,
I hope you're not suggesting that I personally attacked you? If you feel I did please include a link to the post where I did so ok? I'd like to reread that post. Perhaps you saw something that wasn't there like when you said I was either being passive-aggressive or sarcastic, when I wasn't being either to you?
I'm listening to: Across The Rubicon by Silhouette
Thetubeguy1954 (Tom Scata)
Central Florida Audio Society -- SETriodes Group -- Space Coast Audio Society
Full-range/Wide-range Drivers --- Front & Back-Loaded Horns --- High Sensitivity Speakers
No, no, I did and do not feel attacked by you at all. As I said just felt the phrase "my friend" was a little strange. No problem, I always enjoy your posts
Alan
Alan I just read your other post and I can tell from your response your a person of integrity. If you read my other response it will explain more that I don't wish to repeat here! In all sincerity I wish the best "my friend!"
I'm listening to: Across The Rubicon by Silhouette
Thetubeguy1954 (Tom Scata)
Central Florida Audio Society -- SETriodes Group -- Space Coast Audio Society
Full-range/Wide-range Drivers --- Front & Back-Loaded Horns --- High Sensitivity Speakers
"then I am not too sure that you are qualified either. Next time try to get your facts straight before commenting.""I wish we, including me, would keep personal attacks out of our discussions"
Okee doekee. ;)
:)
Edits: 12/14/16 12/14/16
I agree with everything you just said. I also apologies for my comment on My Friend. I have experienced a lot of rude behavior on this site and I guess I just have come to expect that. Happy holidays
Alan
Alan,
That's quite alright! I, too, have experienced a lot of personal attacks because of some opinions I have. IMHO there are some audio arguments that will ever be won. One of those is: Do wires have a unique sound of their own? I believe if you see two people discussing the POV that is the opposite of what you ---{ and by you, I mean anyone who has the opposite POV than the one being discussed }--- believe on this issue. It's almost always best to stay out of their discussion!
Why do I believe this? Because I've yet see anyone from one side of this argument win a convert to the opposite side of this argument. Usually a person from the opposite POV will join their discussion and usually the conversation stays civil initially. But as more people join in on both sides of this argument/discussion/debate, some will start to make mean comments about one of those from the opposite POV and this inevitably leads to name-calling, disparaging comments about each other and always near the end, before a moderator intervenes, just one side attacking the other!
I never understood why people let this happen over & over again. But, in any event it was nice talking with you again. I can tell that although we might have different beliefs about audio, your a gentleman and I respect that aspect of your personality --a lot.
I'm listening to: Across The Rubicon by Silhouette
Thetubeguy1954 (Tom Scata)
Central Florida Audio Society -- SETriodes Group -- Space Coast Audio Society
Full-range/Wide-range Drivers --- Front & Back-Loaded Horns --- High Sensitivity Speakers
Perhaps I am just too slow to pick up on aggressions and insults , but in my opinion High Efficiency Asylum is a quite civilized website compared to many others I regularly visit. That is one of many things I like about our
forum.
Hi Don,
I'd have to agree with you.
Thetubeguy1954 (Tom Scata)
Central Florida Audio Society -- SETriodes Group -- Space Coast Audio Society
Full-range/Wide-range Drivers --- Front & Back-Loaded Horns --- High Sensitivity Speakers
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