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In Reply to: RE: Reviwer Peter Breuninger Asserts Those The Crtique Sound at Shows Are Cowards posted by Sprezza Tura on June 03, 2015 at 14:22:51
First, I would only exhibit systems that I had personal experience with in my own shop or a customer's installation and that I knew to be well matched and synergistic. I would never take the risk of pairing gear for the first time at a show which I had never heard together before.
The next thing I would do is spend the bucks to secure a room appropriate for the speakers I wanted to exhibit. And if I could not, then I would select speakers appropriate for the room I was going to end up with.
Third, I would pester the organizers and/or or the hotel staff to get a plan view of the room I would be exhibiting in (or at least a representative room). Then I would plan out how I was going to arrange the room in advance, including speaker positions, seating plan, and where I would need acoustic treatments. If necessary, I would make adjustments to the system I was going to demo to better suit the room.
I would be sure to bring a selection of power conditioning devices that I could deploy as needed to address a variety of power ills.
Similarly, I would be sure to bring a variety of room treatments to be used if needed to deal with any acoustic problems that I hadn't foreseen when developing the room plan.
Ditto for cables and tuning devices - bring a variety just in case.
I would definitely bring a laptop, measurement mic, and software. I find it makes room setup go much quicker.
Last but not least, I would bring a high quality EQ as a last resort just in case there was a major issue with the acoustics that I couldn't deal with setup and treatments.
I'm no expert, but I think if exhibitors did all of the above, show sound would be a lot better.
In general, I think criticism is fair game. If exhibitors are unable or unwilling to do what it takes to put on a good demo in a hotel room, then they should stay home or accept the criticism they get. No more excuses.
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I'm unlikely to duplicate showroom conditions outside of any particular showroom.
Yep........
Even though as an exhibitor, - prices are outrageous for many of these shows, - crap, - only a union member is allowed to touch the gear from the dock to the room. Shipping costs? insane, room costs? outrageous....
It's really hard, and many times it's debatable what kind of benefit a manufacturer designer is going to get.
And, - there are different types of shows. CES (for example) goal is not to "sell" your gear to the general public, - but to acquire dealers.
All that being said, if you're going to bother to do demos with an expensive system, - you better be bringing your own room treatments, and your own power source. You just have to do it.
"Asylums with doors open wide,
Where people had paid to see inside,
For entertainment they watch his body twist
Behind his eyes he says, 'I still exist.'"
...your post lays out what anyone with a modicum of common sense would do.
You are spot and and the methodology you describe is exactly what professionals should be following.
As a matter of fact, they should tack your posts up on the wall.
Hard to believe this is not common practice.
Any professional demonstrating at a show would have the "show" system assembled and tested months before shipping , short of shipping damage , they should be aware of what they really have for sound and possible acoustic problems.
Way before PC geeks and software you actually had to know what you were doing , today, you can simulate to death any issues that could prop up and the acoustic treatment necessary. Electrical power will always be an issues 120 rooms pulling of the line at the sametime is going to produce issues and since more than Tice block is available today , there are solutions for most power situations, i think Living Voice puts a big effort into supply filtering.
A custom made fully regulate amp is a start for the mega dollar players, bad sound from a Milla buck setup is laughable and laugh we should ..
regards
Any professional demonstrating at a show would have the "show" system assembled and tested months before shipping , short of shipping damage , they should be aware of what they really have for sound and possible acoustic problems.
I think we might be surprised how often these systems don't come together until just before the show or sometimes at the show.
For one thing, I know it's common for multiple exhibitors to share a room and split the cost, and they each have certain gear they want to show. So the resulting systems come together out of marriages of convenience, and often haven't been listened to as a system prior to the show.
One would hope that when pairing up, exhibitors would join together in synergy, but nevertheless there seems to be a fair number of rooms with oddly matched systems.
Also, there are cases where people borrow items specifically for a show, e.g. digital sources, cables.
In the shows I've attended, the quality of sound varied all over the place, as did the apparent level of effort the exhibitors were putting into their demo setups. It really gets tiring hearing people with mediocre sounding demos whine and make excuses about show conditions when there are others getting good sound under the same conditions.
Either the gear you're trying to demo sucks, or you don't have the ability to put on a good demo, or you're too lazy to try. What other conclusion am I supposed to reach?
No I'm not surprised DaveK hence my comments, it's either going to be from negligence or bad products and when this happens, at a show or from a product review the Wheat's need to comment on it and not act like cowards, it's the failure of the press and their reviewers why the chaff have to get on forums and murmur.Case in point:
I have never heard Magico loudspeakers, they are well built and measure accordingly, technically few faults ( i have issues with single binding post and xover layout) but yet, while they review well and are highly rated and expensive, they never seem to garner praises at shows, of the SOTA speakers present, they receive the most negative comments from show goers, yet , well i believe only Fremer has called them on this, everyone else is in some kind of hanky coverup..
The Wheats :
I have been, in the past , privy to some of the Wheat's setups, many here would be amazed at how bad they are and for some , top level hi-fi is a most recent acquisition, many chaff's have better sounding systems and have done more on their setup's than most of the wheat's.
Back to the OP:Until PeterB apologizes instead of carrying on his new smoke and mirrors campaign, he can count himself out as nothing more than a wanna be Pearson blow-hard, telling adults who have spent their cash and time to attend an Audio Show (entertainment) to not comment nor offer an opinion on what they hear, but instead to wait for the Wheat's to report with the answers or until they have garnered enough experience as a tier 1 reviewer, is well.
The Hi-End !!!!
Regards ..
Edits: 06/05/15
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