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In Reply to: RE: "Something catastrophic is occurring" posted by stehno on July 30, 2014 at 17:48:08
I know of just *one guy* who matches the type you describe, but that is worse than it sounds. In the small city that I live in, a guy I'll call "Barry Bull" is the only person (beside myself) that I've met who considers himself to be an "audiophile".I feel lonelier hanging out with him than I do when I'm alone because he's such a pompous, bloated egotist. He knows about, has owned, and has auditioned all kinds of high-end gear (of course!) and he loves to remind me of that any chance he gets (of course!).
That said, the guy literally cannot hear his way out of a paper bag. He's an amateur musician who, long ago, blew out his hearing capabilities working in amplified gigs. His hearing might be shot to hell, BUT HIS WILL PERSISTS. He likes to wear the badge, but I don't need no stinkin' badge...
What really motivates him in the practice of our beloved hobby, I've discovered, is not so much the love of hifi/music as the pursuit of audiophile status. In other words, he's a "gearhead".
How sad.
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Yes, and the problem goes all the way to the top. Don't get me wrong, there certainly is a small percentage who fully comprehend the deficiencies of a playback system, having well-trained ears, etc. But again, it seems to be a very small percentage.
I suspect that's a primary reason why so many live or die by measurements. Because without reading and comparing the specs they haven't a clue what else to measure while also providing them a means to engage others and at least appear intelligent.
Aside from blowing your own crumpet (sorry trumpet) what do your posts actually provide to move this discussion forward?
By your own token, as much as one can say that people who rely on measurements do it because they can't hear properly, people who tout hearing do it because they can't measure properly.
This binary "logic" you use is quite limited and off the mark.
Sound reproduction is a science as well as an art. To deny either is false.
"By your own token, as much as one can say that people who rely on measurements do it because they can't hear properly, people who tout hearing do it because they can't measure properly."
Perfectly put!
Hearing (if things go well) yields sensation, excitation and hopefully satisfaction.
Measuring (if things go well) yields quantization, comprehension and hopefully causation.
Rick
Are you talking about what is sometimes called "critical listening"? What is the best way to train our ears?
Not necessarily critical listening as I perceive the problem to be more basic than that.
For example, if a dog cannot distinguish its master's voice from all the other voices I wouldn't say criticl or analytical listening is the answer. First the dog has to somehow be convinced that there are distictions between voices.
... the real problem is a sort of inattentiveness? Apathetic attitudes? A lack of passion while listening? Lazy ears? Lazy brains?
Please expound further...
Le mieux est souvent l'ennemi du bien.
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