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In Reply to: RE: holding him accountable? Who made you god? posted by ornery on August 18, 2013 at 11:14:08
He can have any opinion he wants.
And I can't?
What's with this one-way street you keep wanting to try and impose?
If you don't like his opinion you should take it up with him?
Why should I take up with him in private something which he said in public?
For that matter, why aren't you taking your own advise and taking this up with me in private instead of public? Oh, that's right, you live on a one-way street.
se
Follow Ups:
He who posts personal opinions on the web is open to being tried by the web I say.
Oh that's right he posted to a major industry web site in his position as a paid representative of that site. Then the editor deletes it and sweeps it under the rug. Nope, that is shady by any standard, seems like I recall a President of the USA doing exactly that and what happened to him.
He who posts personal opinions on the web is open to being tried by the web I say.
Well as I said below, I'd have been happy to address it directly in response to the original post, but such responses were being deleted.
By the way, did you get my reply to you email? Often emails that have "Audio Asylum" in them or an AA URL get tagged as spam.
se
You just started a thread on a different site to shame him but you didn't take it up with him period. You haven't even bothered to explain what you disagree with.
Imagine how boring the internet would be if folks were as civil here as they are in person.
You just started a thread on a different site to shame him but you didn't take it up with him period.
I would have been more than happy to have taken it up with him in a direct reply to the post in which he originally said what he did, but posts by others doing just that were being deleted. So I chose to post about it over here where JA doesn't have the power to delete.
You haven't even bothered to explain what you disagree with.
I highlighted what I had an issue with in my original post. I would have thought it was rather self-evident to most everyone, with the possible exception of the mouth-breathers.
se
> I chose to post about it over here where JA doesn't have the power to
> delete.I have said I all have to say about Jason's comment. But I don't understand
your motive here, Steve. Are you saying that although I am one of the
moderators at www.stereophile.com, it is wrong for me to delete comments
that in my opinion are both inappropriate and flame bait? So far this
weekend I have deleted around 20 postings in the same thread to which Jason
contributed, for reasons I have explained both in that thread and in
private emails to the posters. I am tired of on-line posters who see
forums like this one and ours as vehicles for relieving their aggression.And before you lecture me about freedom of speech, please note that we have
an unmoderated section on our site, The Open Bar, where people get to say
anything they wish. But in the context of a discussion of last weekend's
California Audio Show, I will do what I feel necessary.
John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile
Edits: 08/19/13
Hello, John.
No, I'm not saying it is wrong for you to moderate. Only that in doing so, it prevented the issue from being aired where it actually occurred. So in lieu of that, I chose to do it over here where you're not a moderator. Plus I thought it was deserving of a bit broader publication instead of being swept under the rug and forgotten about.
And it seems to go a bit deeper than that one comment on the Stereophile website. Someone pointed me to an interview Mr. Serinus had done in 2006 for Home Theater and Hi-Fi, where he said "But classical stations are dying in the U.S. We're being ghettoized."
It seems that in Mr. Serinus' world, music that wasn't written by a bunch of dead white guys is "ghetto." I'm curious what's behind this paranoid "ghetto" fixation of his.
And you won't get any lectures about free speech from me. As I've said here and elsewhere many times over the years, there is no such thing free speech on forums such as this except for those who own and/or control them. Anything else is only granted at the discretion of those who own/control it, just as it should be.
se
steve, i believe i see your twisting the meaning of 'ghettoized' (at least in the sentence you quoted from this Serinus reviewer).
when he says classical music stations are dying - verifiable as truthful fact or false fact - and follows this sad (for him) observation that such classical music listeners are being ghettoized, i would conclude he simply means marginalized or sidelined. in the context, what else COULD he mean? he surely is not talking poverty or education or ethnic groups.
roger wang.
Exactly how one equates classical music to the quartering of certain members of a European religious community or the original meaning "slag", has anything to do with a slight to segments of the population. Neither Porgy and Bess nor Carmen would be legitimate to Serinus based on the low brow location of these operas.
Bigotry is bigotry no matter how you try to slice it; whether it be overt or more passive. The harm that is fostered from such a narrow outlook hurts us all.
The irony is such a statement is made so close to the 50th anniversary of the March on Washington and MLK's famous speech. When will people like Serinus see people for the content of their character and not the color of their skin.
DaveT
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