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In Reply to: RE: Overactive audiophile imaginations is the most logical explanation posted by Richard BassNut Greene on June 09, 2008 at 16:01:57
I will guarantee at least 80 perhaps 90% of the members of the Audio Asylum could pick their favorite cables in blind test, easy. I bet even you could. You are believing FALSE test from testers with agendas. And accurate music in NOT one of them!
I am sorry you are so brainwashed by the fake scientists. Use you ears man! That is what they are on your head for. Buy the speaker and interconnect cables that you like the sound of. Don't trust reviewers, dealers or phony tests by fake scientists with agendas to make everything mediocre. Don't let them DO IT to you! I don't I go with my ears and ONLY my ears! And my ears have never let me down, never! Trust yourself!
Music is love,
Mono is not music to my ears.
Give me stereo or give me silence!
Teresa
Follow Ups:
The type of test itself masks differences, often because the idea of "testing" creates problems with the testing device (the brain). The fact that many people can't "pass" the test (RBNG's famous "people identified change when nothing was changed") doesn't affect the reality of differences being possible (but not always real), or real differences not being heard in the test condition. Many cables DO sound the same, and many DO sound different, but the DBT is not the way to discover wether this is a true or false statement.
Too many here put too much unquestioned trust in a testing methodology that is nothing but a curiosity when it comes to testing the senses.
I have brought you halfway from the dark into the light.
Now just eliminate the audible SPL differences between speaker cables, that no golden ear ever adjusts for, and you will be getting closer to reality.
Finally, eliminate the 50% of comparisons where a golden ear will say he hears differences no matter what (even when a component is compared with itself).
Now you've reached the light -- it seems that no one can hear differences among wires of typical lengths other than SPL. If there is ANY proof my hypothesis (I'll pause while you look up "hypothesis") is wrong, then just who has demonstrated to witnesses his ability to hear wire differences other thsn SPL?
Provide one name please.
And no phony boombox tests.
Real stereos.
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Richard BassNut Greene
"The Floyd R. Turbo of Bingham Farms Michigan"
Richard, you are stuck on "repeat play."
My position on cables, amps, speakers, and DBTs etc. remains unchanged. Other than to reinforce my position, you've had no impact.
"Now just eliminate the audible SPL differences between speaker cables,that no golden ear ever adjusts for...."
Have you not ben paying attention over at Propheads?? I've yet to read about a single person engaged in a comparison of any sort that doesn't level match. Even Tubey does some form of it for short-term listening comparisons. You continue to throw out red herrings, but no one wants old stinky fish.
You keep harping on proof, but you insist on a test format that has nothing to do with the issues at hand for that proof. "My hypothesis is that you can't hear differences in cables, so until you can turn water into oil, I will not believe that you can hear differences in cables."
Teresa may be the first person ever to claim to hear everything, as well as claiming to be a golden ear. Those positions are as absurd as yours. So enjoy the Battle Royale. You were made for each other.
I don't think anyone has heard everything. I have no doubt somewhere out there are two of something from two different manufacturers that sounds the same. I haven't found it but I'm not dead yet.If Bass Nut is to be believed we should all be listening to Bose connected with the thinest lamp cord as everything sounds the same anyway. His position is pure hogwash as nothing I have found yet even sounds close to the same.
And I am still waiting for him to name two of anything from different manufacturers that sound the same. And I'll listen to each for one week and them let myself be tested in a double blind test. If the items are not on hand he will have to provide them, I will return them in two weeks, fair enough?
Music is love,
Mono is not music to my ears.
Give me stereo or give me silence!
Teresa
just on opposite sides.
"Everything I've heard sounds different, usually strikingly so."
This is an extreme and unbelieveable position. Just as unbelieveable as the statement that "everything I've heard sounds the same," though that one is more likely, considering the possibility of a small sample set.
And why woul dyou submit to a DBT?? They're useless with anything that requires sensory perception.
Even every Reel to Reel tape deck I have owned has had it's own sonic signature and those are the closest to the same I have ever heard.
But if I ever find two things that sound the same I will report it.
My recommended Speaker Cable test
First I would have to live with each speaker cable for a minimum of one week so I know it's sonic signature. Then I would be ready for the tests.
The double blind test must be done in an audiophile way where there is nothing in-between the components to change their sonic signature, no degrading switching box, no degrading level boxes. Levels will have to be matched before the tests. In the case of speaker cables one would have to use a speaker system with dual inputs and the switching would be done from two separate amps with the levels matched of the exact same make and model from the same batch so all their parts match. Play one complete selection of about six minutes in length with one cable and then with the other and back and forth again. No fast switching, only whole selections at a time. In such a test I could easily distinguished the sound of each cable.
Music is love,
Mono is not music to my ears.
Give me stereo or give me silence!
Teresa
However, you might want to study how DBTs work before you stake your claim on such a flawed test (and bty flawed, I mean conceotually flawed, not in that it might not be performed "correctly").
Under a "proper" DBT, you will never pass with any confidence level.
Please do some research on DBTs, testing bias, and sensory perception before you go any further....
Good luck. You are Richard Bassnut Greene's fantasy Subjectivist. Perhaps you should mosey on over to Propheads and see how your claims play there?
Just because I've never seen any Golden Ear level match components with a test tone and sound meter before demonstrating a new/borrowed component doesn't mean it never happens.
Level matching is also something I have never seen a salesman do in a store (why should he eliminate a potential difference?)
I hope you realize that if you read 100 of my posts, you will turn into a brainwashed objective audiophile zombie -- so STOP reading and STOP replying, or I'll huff and I'll puff.
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Richard BassNut Greene
"The Floyd R. Turbo of Bingham Farms Michigan"
> > Just because I've never seen any Golden Ear level match components with a test tone and sound meter before demonstrating a new/borrowed component doesn't mean it never happens.> >
Actually it never does happen. You can't level match with a sound meter. Is this how you do it? If you are level matching with a sound meter and still not hearing level differences you really are hearing impaired.
There's an enormous difference between what you commonly claim ("It has never happened") and what you just wrote ("I've never seen it happen").
I hope you understand the difference.
I have an issue with the first statement, and no problem whatsoever with the second.
I think I've responded to more than 100 of your posts. And yet, I started as an objective-leaning listener. I just happen to disagree with your adherence to a irrelevant testing methodology, and your habit of claiming gross generalities.
I'm still an objective-leaning listener.
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