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In Reply to: RE: Exactly as I opined posted by gusser on July 19, 2023 at 09:09:51
So what else?
Ask any of the numerous professionals previously cited.
If what you think is true, then why waste money on high end gear when the available source material is poorly produced?
Sorry all your source material is limited.
Yes there are some tiny recording studios that cater to audiophiles but most often the musical talant they attract is also sup par.
"Sup par talant?"
Actually, Sony studios attracts very nice talent, thank you very much. Ever heard of John Williams?
You continue to post in non-experiential circles based upon your assumptions alone. We really have nothing more to say on that topic.
Follow Ups:
I've been in those rooms! At Sony studios there is a central equipment room that serves both the audio and digital cinema theaters as well as scoring studios.I didn't see any boutique power cords or other cables in those 80+ equipment racks.
I know because I worked for the company that built the digital cinema theaters contracted by Sony. They (Sony) had final say, it was their money. Nobody questioned the power cords or cables we specified.
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I didn't see any boutique power cords or other cables in those 80+ equipment racks.
This is getting pathetic! It's clear you don't follow links as the answer is found there.
Please show me accredited credentials for Shunyata?
No, not what in his marketing pages.
But rather things like:
* Schools attended, degrees earned?
* Work history, company names, articles published under said company?
* Professional associations, papers published, IEEE for example?
You're obviously unwilling to learn anything because you obviously know everything! ;)Those who actually follow the link read what the professionals who use the product say.
Sorry, the "The Appeal to Authority" logical fallacy doesn't work with me.
edit: The Shunyata link is found here .
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And neither do you. But I do know my profession with 40 years of experience behind it.
"Appeal to Authority"?
You seem to be the one doing that. Shunyata? That's hardly an authority based on the standards of our society.
BTW, since when is an audiophile a professional? I always known it as a hobby? Audio, video, electronics is my hobby. I just happened to be fortunate enough to make a career out of it as have many others.
you'll realize how shallow and uninformed your post is.
Apparently you've never heard of Astoria Studios, Crest National Studios, Stephen Epstein, James Guthrie, Rick Rubin, Sony Music Studios, Skywalker Ranch, et. al.
Not at all surprising.
"Not at all surprising."This is snobbery and found in quite a few of your posts. You assume anybody who doesn't have the equipment labels you approve of has inferior gear.
The truth is that unless you heard the specific gear in the owners listening environment, you really have no ides of how it sounds.
Anybody that has ever been to a live concert in a good hall has heard what real music sounds like. So stop this golden ears stuff.
You claim you listen to the music but it seems like you are listening to the label on the gear and how much it cost.
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Anybody that has ever been to a live concert in a good hall has heard what real music sounds like.
Absolutely! I've been involved with one of the Telarc recordings of the Atlanta Symphony Orchestra. And hold season ticket for the local symphony. My wife and I traveled to Chicago a couple of weeks ago to hear the CSO play some John Williams music. That is a wonderful sounding hall!
I'm also regularly exposed to the live, unamplified experience of hearing wifey play her baby grand. :)
It's a decent sounding hall by modern standards. Nothing more.
the program was Ravel's Daphnis and Chloe . The chorus was situated in the balcony and the program notes indicated that the first time it was played at the CSO was in 1928 conducted by Ravel himself!
I told you the Crest story and furthermore we don;t know if all those quotes are true.Shunyata has been caught red handed in their own videos with fraud.
In one he has a commercial peak current meter. He measures a commodity cheap 18ga IEC cord. Then he measures one of his 14ga or 12ga IEC cords and of course the numbers are much improved.
See the problem here? How about we use the same wire gauge in the comparisons? So why should I believe anything they say in their marketing material.
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You can follow a hyperlink! Just takes several days for you to figure it out.As for Crest, here are the words of the VP of Engineering:
"I've run out of words to describe the effect Shunyata Research has had on the SACD experience in our studio. From the mass and quality of the HYDRA power distribution center with it's dynamic openness, the clarity gleaned from the ANACONDA ALPHA/ANACONDA VX, and the direct detail obtained from the interconnects and speaker cables. Shunyata Research has put a very positive signature on Crest National's, Hollywood reference listening experience.Jon Truckenmiller, Sr. VP Engineering of Crest National Studios: Hollywood, CA USA"
we don;t know if all those quotes are true.Yeah, they're just liars, right? Completely empty.
Shunyata has been caught red handed in their own videos with fraud.
How so? I most certainly don't take your uninformed word!
In one he has a commercial peak current meter.
Who's "he"? Shunyata is a company.
So why should I believe anything they say in their marketing material.
No reason at all. I listen to the myriad recording engineers, many of whom are well known and are Grammy winners - who use their products! ;)
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No, they aren't liars. But the reason that equipment was installed is not what you assume.
I never asked you to take my word. Just show that video to any EE or technician and see what answer you get.
Recording engineers are not typically electrical engineers. That title is very old and quite frankly obsolete. They are "mixers" which is an artist. They color the raw music from the talent into a pleasing arrangement that appeals to the marketplace. While mixers are quite talented, they most often have no idea of what is going on under the console. Just as most Electrical Engineers and technicians would produce a pretty bad sounding mix if tasked wigth that. Differtent skill set.
But the reason that equipment was installed is not what you assume.
When all else fails, call Jon Truckenmiller, Sr a liar!
"I've run out of words to describe the effect Shunyata Research has had on the SACD experience in our studio. From the mass and quality of the HYDRA power distribution center with it's dynamic openness, the clarity gleaned from the ANACONDA ALPHA/ANACONDA VX, and the direct detail obtained from the interconnects and speaker cables. Shunyata Research has put a very positive signature on Crest National's, Hollywood reference listening experience .
Jon Truckenmiller, Sr. VP Engineering of Crest National Studios: Hollywood, CA USA"
And I'll even save you the task of clicking a link.Posted by gusser (A) on July 19, 2023 at 11:13:01
In Reply to: You don't pay close attention, do you? posted by E-Stat on July 19, 2023 at 09:38:02:I happen to know that story from the horses mouth! The Hollywwod engineering community was a close group at that time.
The SACD marketing people are like you. It's all about names and labels."You want us to use your facility for mastering and QC? You need to have this equipment!"
Same reason the late Roger Russel used Cardas wiring in his speaker towers. If you want to sell speakers to that market niche, the niche you are in, you need to use accepted products no matter if they make a difference or not. And the additional cost is negligible compared to the product cost.
ADDED:
Crest entered into a niche audio market that is driven by expense and labels. You have to pay to play!
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the beef?
There's no documentation found in that nebulous post. Do you expect anyone to take you seriously?
View YouTube Video
It was a conversation at a local industry event. And Crest is long out of business from the late 1990s and I lost contact with anybody who worked there. So believe it or not, doesn't matter to me.
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