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RE: This Was Said About Vinyl 40 Years Ago.......

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Analog Scott

In Reply to: RE: This Was Said About Vinyl 40 Years Ago....... posted by Todd Krieger on March 20, 2023 at 12:13:56

I certainly won't argue with your preferences but the people who claimed vinyl was obsolete were in complete denial of the appeal of vinyl. Or were just oblivious to it. This is very much an apples to oranges comparison. Vinyl is a storage medium, CD players are medium playback devices. Totally different. NOTE I did NOT say *CDs* were obsolete.

I said dedicated CD players are obsolete and gave the reasons why.

Vinyl will likely never become obsolete in our lifetimes because nothing will likely fully replace it and offer more on top of it.

Universal optical disc readers and DACs do EVERYTHING a CD player does and more. And you only need one. You don't have to replace an entire collection of LPs, just one CD player.

If you LIKE dedicated CD players instead of universal players that is inarguable. But you no longer *need* a CD player to do pretty much exactly what a CD player does using a universal disc player/reader. You do need the records to do exactly what each record does.

People who were claiming vinyl obsoletion either weren't aware of the nuances of audiophile media or were just being tribalistic toxic fanboys spewing rhetoric in the old and boring debates of digital vs analog/ digital media vs vinyl rivalries

Dedicated CD players are obsolete except in the fulfillment of certain audiophile fetishes and mythologies. So with that caveat I stand by what I said.

Follow Ups:

and all the needles arms and tables sound the same so all we need is an USB equipped plastic spinners - Wojciech 16:31:32 03/20/23 (5)
It's not the hobby for rational people and those with extensive CD collections who can be bothered to get their arses from the couch to change the discs are well served by dedicated CD players. The fact that there is increasingly smaller numbers of dinosaurus willing and able to do it does not change the fact that there was little progress in CD playback in last 20 years and some say there is a noticeable regress in equipment people can afford. Not talking about high rez playback
- But they don't. - Analog Scott 18:31:13 03/20/23 (4)
  Turntable/arm/cartridges are transducers. They don't all sound the same. Nor do differently mastered LPs.
  
  "those with extensive CD collections who can be bothered to get their arses from the couch to change the discs are well served by dedicated CD players."
  
  They are BETTER served by multi-format optical players. That was my point from my very first post. That is why CD only players are obsolete.
  
  To make an analogy CD players at this point are the equivalent of a dedicated 7" only turntable. Why would anyone get something like that when 7" records play perfectly fine on standard turntables that play 12" records?
  - I get your point - Wojciech 20:20:24 03/20/23 (3)
    Should I then get an expensive multi-player and expensive dac just to get passable CD playback when I'm not going to use all the wonders it offers and becomes obsolete within months and require constant firmware update just to run till the moment either company or supplier flips and you have a brick ?
    - My opinion - Analog Scott 20:42:20 03/20/23 (2)
      If you have discs to play you should get an inexpensive Multi-format reader. What DAC you or anyone else gets depends on their set up. But there is no reason to get an expensive one. I use the one in my digital audio interface. None of which will become obsolete anytime soon if at all in my lifetime.
      
      But it really depends on how you are handling the digital side of your system.
      
      No objective reasons for getting anything expensive.
      - RE: My opinion - Wojciech 21:12:41 03/20/23 (1)
        
        In Reply to: RE: My opinion posted by Analog Scott on March 20, 2023 at 20:42:20
        
        I respect your opinion and partially share it but it's clear that you never had a good transport in your system. It's an eye opening experience. My former friend asked me to buy Spectral drive for him. So he could hide expense from his wife.( Partial reason he is no longer in a friend zone) One of those moments you hate being poor..meh
        And analog ? Once you over cheap and cheerful no matter how much you spend is never enough and always disappointing. It must be the biggest scam in entire Fi sector.
        
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        RE: My opinion - Analog Scott 23:04:50 03/20/23 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: My opinion posted by Wojciech on March 20, 2023 at 21:12:41
        
        How is it clear that I have never had a good transport? They should have zero effect on the sound and neither of mine do. It's just digital data.

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