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In Reply to: RE: What might be a mistake to you could be a way of life for Atkinson, et al posted by stehno on November 03, 2017 at 17:57:17
>After all these years, Atkinson still thinks being a musician or singer has
>anything to do with critical listening.An inmate described Stereophile's review team as not having a "musical IQ"
and only listening to "hi-fi," presumably instead of live music. I pointed
out that this was incorrect. I didn't make any comment on critical listening.>I'm speculating...
Indeed you are :-)
John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile
Edits: 11/04/17 11/04/17Follow Ups:
John, would you mind sharing with us one of your potential "birthing of a new world" experiences that's a bit more on a lower shelf so all us can better understand where you're coming from?
1. How about sharing with us your experience with the Vandersteen Model 7A speakes at CES 2014 I think it was, where you called that presentation at that exhibit among other things, musically perfect...., across the board? No leading questions, just sharing with us that obviously unforgettable experience and why you considered it, musically perfect..., across the board.
2. Also, if indeed the 7A's were musically perfect, how does MQA (a birth of a new world) fit into an already perfect equation? Is there such a thing as better than perfect?
3. Which in your opinion is superior, a musically perfect presentation or a presentation equating to the birth of a new world? What does musically perfect mean to you? What does a birth of a new world mean to you?
4. The speakers are but one part of the playback vineyard and the MQA format being of another part of that vineyard with I assume little to no potential for overlapping the roles/responsibilities of these two disparate parts of the vineyard. That said, can you explain how one technology type in one part of the vineyard (a speaker or a high-rez recording) can fully correct and/or compensate for the potentially very serious shortcomings in all other parts of that vineyard? Or even in one other part of the vineyard?
5. We know nobody ever "hears" a component or speaker as thought it were isolated. We really only hear nothing less than the sum of all parts of the vineyard. How is it you were able to so confidently attribute that "musically perfect...., across the board" level of musicality to just the 7A speakers and nothing else?
6. In the Sept '09 issue of Stereophile, you discussed comparing the sound of a live piano to that of a recorded piano and you stated something to the effect that it was obvious much of the live music wasn't making it to the recording. Paraphrased. Have either the Vandersteen 7A's or MQA caused you to rescind that 2009 comment?
7. Speaking of pianos. It is understood by some (and I agree) that the piano seems to be the most difficult instrument to accurately reproduce in a playback system. Are you implying now that with either the 7A's or MQA we now have the technology / products available to us to hear a piano via a playback system that includes the 7A's or MQA that is identical or near identical to a live piano?
> John, would you mind sharing with us one of your potential "birthing of a
> new world" experiences that's a bit more on a lower shelf so all us can
> better understand where you're coming from?
I guess Monty Python had it right: "No-one expects the Spanish Inquisition!"
7 questions from an anonymous troll, asked on 3 separate occasions. Must
be some kind of new record. Let me consult my Magic Audio 8 Ball: "You
will find the answers to your questions at www.stereophile.com."
But of course if you do so, you will increase Stereophile's unique visitor
tally and page view count. Puts you in somewhat of a bind, eh? :-)
John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile
Not a troll John. Looks like he just loves to type and maybe it's a round about way of gaining your favor so he can submit one of his (John Stehno) products for review. Check out on his site "The State of the Industry" and gleanings, very creative writing ...
Edits: 11/04/17
> Not a troll John.I used the word "troll" because the poster was demonstrating the characteristics.
He makes misleading claims about what another poster has said or done, but
refuses to acknowledge any correction.When he asks a question, he ignores the substance of any answer and asks
more questions, insisting that those questions be answered.He takes the thread off-topic in order to raise issues that are personally
important.> maybe it's a round about way of gaining your favor so he can submit one
> of his (John Stehno) products for review.Perhaps he should read Dale Carnegie's "How to Win Friends and Influence
People" :-)Edit: Since responding to your post, I checked other new postings in Critics
Corner and I see that "stehno" has since posted even more questions of me.
See my second point above.
John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile
Edits: 11/05/17
If you don't provide any specific references, then I'm left to assume your allegations here are nothing more than cheap nonsensical straw man arguments. You've repeatedly ignored my questions just as you're doing so here.
But I don't wanna lose sight of my points to you and toward you and that is that you have tin ears and that in reality based on your nonsensical responses to me and to others that you don't even have the ability to make performance a priority in your endeavors. Thus IMO, as the editor-in-chief of Stereophile you may as well be a fish outta water.
For example. Just a few of your recent quotes/endorsements that concern me and perhaps some others include:
1. Musically perfect...., across the board. (pertaining to the Vandersteen 7A speakers you heard at CES 2014)
2. Most all of Stereophile's staff are musicians or sing in choirs. (your attempt to substantiate your staff has well-trained ears)
3. Like experiencing the birth of a new world. (you describing your experience with MQA)
4. Listening takes place in the head. (to deflect attention away from discussing your apparent inability to discern what you hear)
Only the most foolish and naive amateur might fathom making just one such immature and nonsensical comment as these. Certainly nobody with an understanding of today's playback performance limitations would dare utter such nonsense. Yet, you don't even seem to bat an eye about any of this. In fact, the more pressed you are about your lack of listening skills, the more foolish your responses. Thus giving evidence of the tremendous disconnect between your brain and what you actually hear.
I've had my speculations about your lack of discernment and skills for years, as obviously have others. But I don't think any of us thought it was this bad.
But hey, anytime you wanna take a legitimate stab at the questions I asked you numerous times now, well, I'm all ears.
> You've repeatedly ignored my questions just as you're doing so here.
As I said a while back, you crack me up. Responding to a post where I
describe the typical behavior of an internet troll, you illustrate my point.
:-)
John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile
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