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In Reply to: RE: HydrogenAudio "discusses" audiophile event. posted by carcass93 on February 09, 2011 at 11:12:12
>The only surprising post really is moderator's - directing one of the zealots to cut down
>on trash talk.
I find it sad that the HA posters reject the ideas both of personal experience and of
taking part in an event that tries to increase enthusiasm for the concept of playing back
recordings with as high a quality as possible.
John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile
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Well I don't normally read or post there but just from that thread it seems that several members there are of the Speakers sound different, codexs sound different, everything else sounds the same.
Also, they seem to be of the "High bit rate MP3 is good enough for me" crowd and anything more than that is a waste of digits. I especially like how the one guy was trying to twist your comment around to mean the opposite of your intention.
Proof of how people will fight to the death over the most trivial things if it clashes with their beliefs.
I wouldn't bother there anymore if I were you.
Have you ever been to one of those car audio "contests" where car audio aficionados gather to "demonstrate" their car's performance and are judged for distortion, etc....
....by placing microphones in an unoccupied car and measuring what the sonic environment was during a playback event (which many times is nothing more than non-musical frequency sweeps. (As opposed to musical frequency sweeps, I guess.))
Car audio and HA are on the verge of evolving to the point where humans are no longer required to be part of the listening chain. They can now move straight to codec discussions and dispense with music entirely! Woo Hoo! I wonder if they'll start calling listening to music some derogatory biological term for people who listen to music rather than measure and proclaim.
JA, by actually playing music and chatting, you are doing something that is apparently anathema to the HA types.
I guess it's good they aren't opining that the 8 bit sonics of Berzerk were the point when we reached audio Nirvana.
I fully expect HA to migrate away from any and all references to actual music listening.
Do they allow someone to claim Vivaldi is superior to Barney without an objective study verifying same?
However, "High-resolution Vivaldi is superior to 128 Kbps MP3 Barney" will be surely met with well-deserved outrage.
That will surely calm natives down - as evidenced by cool, calm, collected posts of another moderator, immediately following yours.I hope he's not of particularly advanced age - we don't want anything bad happen because of the spike in blood pressure.
BTW - I don't know whether you noticed, but he "objects". I thought it's pretty funny. Until he appears at the event in person, to possibly object by some other means, that is.
Edits: 02/09/11
> That will surely calm natives down - as evidenced by cool, calm, collected posts of
> another moderator, immediately following yours.
Especially as one of the other "super moderators" requested people refrain from ad
hominem attacks and not make comments with out offering evidence. Perhaps
"super moderators" don't have to follow HA's own rules on making unsupported
statements..
> I don't know whether you noticed, but he "objects". I thought it's pretty funny. Until he
> appears at the event in person, to possibly object by some other means, that is.
I responded on HA because I would like people who critizice what I do actually to have
experience of what I do and say. The OP in that HA thread said he lived within a
25-minute drive from Definitive - it would be a shame if he didn't bother to attend.
And if any inmates are planning to attend, please say "hi" and I hope you enjoy the
music.
John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile
Perhaps some test tones would entice him out of his lair?
N/T
I don't understand what they're in such a tizzy about. There have been lots of ABX tests of MP-3 compression, with results that are easily available online. What's wrong with just listening?
It sounds like an interesting presentation, wish I could be there myself.
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