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In Reply to: RE: Tangram Le' Journey Continues... posted by el34eh@yahoo.com on February 23, 2024 at 11:26:30
No problem at all, everything is just taken in its stride with nothing being forced and more control with the gold plated . Maybe with having silver on the preamp and phono is enough and the gold is what was required ? I guess sometime I will try the gold on the phono / preamp when the ordered Accuphase and connectors arrive and burnt in, it will be interesting.Now I do wonder what the gold plated copper offering AC plug from ETI. As you are aware several members do rave about the IEC offering from ETI, Hmmmmm. Approx 250 bucks though !
Perhaps a used one may come up.Let's see how you evaluate my findings by just changing one out. BTW I have my digital now fired up and will leave on overnight for tomorrows listening as the wife is away at her dads, I have a nice bottle of laphroaig oak cask single malt just purchased on special for later on.
Edits: 02/23/24Follow Ups:
How true..., as I'm into 14 tracks now after having placed the gold plated copper Monosaudio AC onto said Accuphase, listening through ( to ) John Coltrane Lonnie's Lament as I type this.
And while I'm able to say without a doubt in my mind, how others see gold plated connectors tors as slow sounding is beyond me, while I'm able to detect a more relaxed | rounder | less hard hitting sound as compared to rhodium or silver plated copper connectors, as well as sense that I've to now readjust the volume levels with each track, where I never had to beforehand, which strikes me as weird, yet I've to assume that by listening to compressed folk or soft rock recordings from the 60s, didn't have the best fidelity or fuller bandwidth or even close to the dynamics we've in recordings since 1970s, or thereabouts from jazz labels like Milestone | CrissCross | Steeplechase | CBS-Sony Japan | ECM | FMP | Enja whom seemingly expanded the dynamic range of what was possible with earlier jazz recordings of said era.
In hindsight it seems as if something is missing with the gold plated ac in place, which troubles me as I can't quite put a finger on it, it isn't like it lacking in any one area or the other, so I'll chalk this off as the possibility of my having become adapted to how the silver plated plug sounds in this particular application, or maybe just fits my ears and system, which are less resolving than yours?, and merely come to grips with said differences and move on.
I've often read the ETI Research Gold Plugs are among the most dynamic out there, which I personally don't doubt, and the Creator knows I love the make of their aluminum shell housing, which is the one area where the similar looking plastic made CopperColour plugs turns me off, much like the NeoTech | Cardas plugs with all those parts rattling around inside, what's up with that?.
The one thing I'll once again take away from this, as I've once again read on more than one occasion is that one does in fact have alternatives to simply buying into the whole concept of it's rhodium plated copper connectors, or nothing else matters!, which I now know is a bunch of BS!, so I'll be clearing out my collection of them, other than the Furutech Banana Plugs which were soldered onto a pair of my SCs, other than that..., like any of us, we've to judge sound as to how our respective ears | hearts react to the sound before us, and ask ourselves does it sound correctly balanced? | am I engaging in the music?, or simply forcing myself to listen beyond the system itself?, for me as a retired person, it comes down to the amount of time I've often looked up and saw how much time was spent actually listening to music, which on average is between 9-13 hours on a good day, when the body allows, as there are times where those power naps serves a body and mind well.
Toss up one shot of said malt for me, as I've always been more of a Courvoisier XO Cognac drinker, yet only two shots on holiday type of guy.
Cheers!.
More relaxed and less hard hitting, does this not make you want to just forget and listen, I just regard this as a more grown up and more experienced kind of sound , never forced and more controlled !
Keep it in play and let things settle more, which ancillary have you connected this to ?
I only hoped that my hearing wasn't going?, yet I'm well aware that items like cables | power cords | plating types it seems are not only system dependent, but at times ears dependent as well.
I know some look down on any form of pure silver or silver plated copper signal cables, yet feel they work better as a power cord, which I never fully excepted, otherwise why would firm like NordOst | AAI | WireWorld | AudioQuest | Chord Company after all of their years in existence building upon said wires still be around?.
Yet rethinking ( readjusting ) how it's I'm currently hearing said un-plated copper | gold plated copper tandem, it strikes me in many ways as to what I recalled hearing when I had an entire cabling loom of Supra cables back in 2016, I initially felt the music itself which came across as refined | at moments overly warmth and lacing dynamics..., but as I began listening more critically, I noted the attack of notes | agility and sense of detailing was always there, it just presented music in a more toned down, more beautiful manner as not to offend one's senses. All said I'm able to see how why you've stated this is your preferred combination, it offers a silkier type of sonics, where a certain cohesiveness is needed to offset any brightness hear via other wiring or plating types which can become overbearing to say the least..., so once again I've to conclude both combinations have something going on whereas to allow a more keen eared type of listener to know what's there, as opposed to merely allowing themselves to get caught up in here say, hence the rhodium only crowd, where flash is obviously seen as fashionable in some circles.
So far I've only used said tandem with digital pieces, namely DACs | LPSs that go into say my older make Auralic Ares Mini server, where I felt years ago the use of silver plated copper PCs | IC's just performed the best in either system, once again as gauged by months and months of simply listening, the only place I use copper these days is solely with the Accuphase cord, which alternates with a Xangsane 5N OCC one as used on the everSOLO DMP-A6.
And while I've 2 copper IC's | 3 pairs of copper SCs, they've remained boxed up in favor of the Xangsane XS-9001Ag IC's | Greg Knight GK-6008Ag PCs placed onto both systems, hell even the Xangsane SP-9003Ag IC's at this very moment are laying directly behind me on the floor, unplayed. It's as if once I found certain ways of voicing the system once again, by ear, I've become very very very reluctant to change out a single item.
In the end the long term usage of " Mi-Fi ", seemingly still carries some sort of weight, as I know it's not about proving anything to anyone other than self at days end, but it's nice having someone like you around to confirm said things, of which again I'm 4ever grateful.
Edits: 02/24/24
O'kay it seems a reality check was in order. As stated for the sole purpose of voicing the Accuphase 40th Anniversary Edition cloned power cord to best work in conjunction with my everSOLO streamer | DAC | preamp it appears I merely became accustomed to said cord with the tandem of once again the silver plated copper ac male | unplated copper iec female.
Upon replacing it with the gold plated copper ac, all I can say is that it seems as if a long lost friend from my youth had all of a sudden popped up out of the blue, after having lost contact with one another for over 40 years, here I'm laughing aloud | reminiscing about the good old days, sharing stories that only said friendships have accumulated due to us knowing one another so well, the sense of balance was once again restored, that something I was missing with the gold plug was this certain attachment to the music itself on my part, as if everything just popped into focus, I don't know why this connection has made such a profound effect on my life, or more importantly how I now chose to listen to music?, yet it has.
So should anyone reading this wish to buy several sets of gold plated copper Viborg | Monosaudio plugs at a nice savings?, please feel free to contact me, as I'm growing very very tired of having to place ads, and wouod far rather deal with one person on say a lot type offer, where everything goes at one time, versus pieces sold separately here and there.
I'm sticking to my guns on this one, no more plugs needed, nor cords, as I've finally found items which have enhanced my listening experience | pleasure 10 fold, and dare not once again change one single item, my loss is in fact someone else's gain.
Until next time | happy listening to you all.
I enjoyed reading this running discussion. It was a bit difficult to follow with the photos that didn't match the topic, run-on sentences and unusual punctuation. But the result--oh my!
The Accuphase power cable with recored Xangsane plugs is excellent. With adequate break-in (at least 150 hours) it excels in detailed, large sound stage audio reproduction. Now the inexpensive Accuphase (Chinese clone) power cables are the main choice in my audio system. Thank you all!
Hello Aspheric,
Your welcome, my apologies for at time getting rather long-winged, as well as ranting on and on about social matters, but one has to speak their minds on things which occur around them, correct?, which I do.
As for the mismatched photos I've been adding to my post for years now. Were initially saved into my photo library as sort of visual reminders to myself, of items which interested me, as well as pass onto a few friends of mine, whom over the years since 2004 would ask me about certain items that I'd recommend on their behalf, so instead of collecting pages of reviews, I chose to save said visual reminders, of which some of us view secretly as audio prone, of eye candy, in other words they were added to capture the imagine of those curious types just enough where some would also write me asking which brands they were?, and some have actually gone on to buy them, those of means I'd add.
Back on point, as it relates to the cord, I see that you've gone with the copper plugs, or tandem of a gold plated AC and red copper IEC, am I correct?. In my case after ending up with three of these cords, I ended up settling on combinations of pure silver on one cord, and silver plated as the male connectors and red copper female on the other two cords, which ideally were better suited to be used on several music servers ( dacs ) or linear power supply, as means of restoring some sort of balance to each item as heard collectively, based upon what I've also long referred to as " Mi-Fi ", meaning each were voiced as such to please my ear above all else.
And as the end result, I no longer have anything else to learn about cables, as my current venture has me replacing the RCA connectors on all of my favorite pairs of IC's ( regardless of the fact their base metals are pure silver | pure copper or silver plated copper? ) to be used with either Star Line or AECO silver plated connectors, and upon listening to two pairs of said tandems just two days ago, let's just say that I've finally come to a place in time, where I'm totally content I've found " Mi-Sound ", and have lost the desire to change, or look elsewhere, so I'm done with chasing a type of signature other than the one it has taken me 46 years to discover.
Wisdom says " leave it along ", as I shall.
It's nice to see that a few of you were able to hear the potential this very cord has to offer, it all came down to tailoring its sound to ear, by finding which flavor of plugs matched optimally with one's system.
Until next time | enjoy the quest, but never overlook the importance of one music collection, otherwise none of us would be posting at all, would we?, it's the enjoyment of music which counts most. Not to be confused with merely listening to ones gear, which many do.
Here comes my totally unrelated photo of the day, so sue me already.
It could be copper suits my system with Magnepan speakers. The link to the plugs is:
https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256801306730259.html?spm=a2g0o.order_list.order_list_main.5.3cea1802w6CKe4&gatewayAdapt=glo2usa
Replace the plug cores and use the beautiful Accuphase shell. In the world of expensive audio the power cable is a bargain in sound quality.
Again, thank you for all the thoughtful ideas in the discussion.
Totally understood, as I've learned over the course of the last 9 years, and after having purchased and sold over 10 integrated amps | pairs of mini-monitors, that taking the needed time to understand their respective strengths | weaknesses is vital, as there have been moments when thinking by adding a certain signature via ones RCA input jacks | RCA connector's on their IC's | Binding Post | Banana Plugs, can in fact restore said sense of balance, letting one then to hear said components as per their truest nature, yet as said mistakes are to be learned from as we get older ( wiser ) it becomes ( or should ) easier to figure out which flavoring is needed where?, and then addressing it via said options of tubes | cabling choices, as both are in truth means of tone controls.
It's being able to admit to ourselves what the system collectively needs, not so much as how we hear the electronics or speakers, but how it translates the essence of the music itself, is where we go wrong in the beginning, yet as maturity kicks in, we're meant to know " Our Sound ", and not to allow others tell us what they like of don't like, remember once said person had left your home after a shared listening session, who does one have to please or convince other than oneself?, no one would be the wisest response, eh!.
Getting onto another note as it refers to the Accuphase 40th Anniversary Edition IC's, as posted earlier on as striking a very similar appearance to what's on offer at Underwood HiFi at prices like $400-$2000 ( if I remember correctly on their option with the silver plated plugs? ) here's another one I came across a few days ago:
Just found this amazing item on AliExpress. Check it out! $299.99 | MPS M-11R 99.99997％OCC rhodium Plated Plug RCA audio cable DVD CD DAC amplifier cable RCA TO RCA cable
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mss6zx6
Which tells me if nothing else?, someone over on AliExpress is watching audio forums like our here, and Head-Fi and are using said information as a means of offering said items at higher prices, by merely adding either a rhodium or silver plated connector to the mix, I've sent mine off to have one or the other types of plating added, as to my ears it was in fact one of the best sounding pure copper rca cables I've heard since 2001, and in figuring out its weakness was a lack of snap | crackle | pop as with their power cord, I believe it's going to be a winner as well, especially during those moments where I might crave that " tone thingy " that only pure copper cabling brings to the party in the right way I'd add.
And lastly, you're more than welcome.
O_o scar
where can you buy those xangsane plugs? are they copper?
O'kay it seems a reality check was in order. As stated for the sole purpose of voicing the Accuphase 40th Anniversary Edition cloned power cord to best work in conjunction with my everSOLO streamer | DAC | preamp it appears I merely became accustomed to said cord with the tandem of once again the silver plated copper ac male | unplated copper iec female.
Upon replacing it with the gold plated copper ac, all I can say is that it seems as if a long lost friend from my youth had all of a sudden popped up out of the blue, after having lost contact with one another for over 40 years, here I'm laughing aloud | reminiscing about the good old days, sharing stories that only said friendships have accumulated due to us knowing one another so well, the sense of balance was once again restored, that something I was missing with the gold plug was this certain attachment to the music itself on my part, as if everything just popped into focus, I don't know why this connection has made such a profound effect on my life, or more importantly how I now chose to listen to music?, yet it has.
So should anyone reading this wish to buy several sets of gold plated copper Viborg | Monosaudio plugs at a nice savings?, please feel free to contact me, as I'm growing very very tired of having to place ads, and wouod far rather deal with one person on say a lot type offer, where everything goes at one time, versus pieces sold separately here and there.
I'm sticking to my guns on this one, no more plugs needed, nor cords, as I've finally found items which have enhanced my listening experience | pleasure 10 fold, and dare not once again change one single item, my loss is in fact someone else's gain.
Until next time | happy listening to you all.
Well this is turning out to be a monumental weekend on my behalf, re digital.
And how it's nice having the convenience of not having to get up every 20 mins !!!
So started out with just adjusting back, sounding ok but not majestic and the colourations were there and was a little two dimensional compared to my vinyl renditions.
I had put the silver plated / unplated copper on the dac and a rhodium AC and unplated copper iec.
By now I have a good handle of where the colourations were coming from so changed the rhodium AC for gold plated . This was an instant improvement and after about some 20 mins I realised my SGS grounding box was still connected to the phono stage chassis, so immediately connected to my Zidoo neo s media player and dac chassis , after a few mins I heard changes and further the soundstage opened right up and the instruments sounded more real, WOW superb now I can listen through each album without wanting to skip, very nice.
Now after quite a few hours of satisfied listening with my only a couple of niggles really ,of the main leading instruments sounding smaller and narrower than I would have liked. The changeover from vinyl to digital files stored on my internal hard drive being satisfied with whatever.
And then I looked over at my phono stage this morning and wondered...-...-.. the powerchord that housed my unplated silver AC and silver plated copper iec ( my unplated silver iec is actually on the preamp ) was not being used. So switching off the dac and changing out to this said powerchord and turning back on was not what I was expecting, quite simply you can forget about my previous plating experiences as above, this move has brought monumental changes in every department, such a huge improvement and in a very musical way, everything and I mean everything is way way better.
Pretty much my plating experiences have ceased as I have just ordered two copper colour AC and another iec in unplated silver where they will be fitted in the superb thickest aluminium housings from Accuphase. First place when they arrive will be to my blue Xangsane receptacle as previously mentioned many times.
BTW I changed out the powerchord to my Zidoo with the gold plating powerchord that I raved about previously to the silver plated one . By far the silver plated option is the better one, this is post the unplated silver findings. just shows...- and there we go again.
As a matter of fact, I'll be asked Fred the owner of Monosaudio about the pricing on a one off sample set of pure silver plugs, in hopes they're within reason?.
Every time I think that I'm out of the game, you always seem to pull me back in, or something to that effect from Godfather?. But once again, the spirit is willing.
Well I think this will put the oomph and more in those 60s jazz recordings.
To be convinced and with the minimum outlay of $ 78 inc shipping, you could just purchase the CC pure silver AC plug and use the silver plated iec you already have, this is where Iam at the moment.
Fair enough, I'll place an order for one of the CC pure silver ac male plugs on Wednesday. As the Viborg pure silver plug just logically doesn't make sense placing one on what is essentially a $42 power cord in my book..
Thanks for clarifying things for me.
I believe there are $ 42 chords on many manufacturers offerings, however they possibly cost hundreds if not thousands once the bling is applied and reached to the consumer, and very very few will have solid silver blades !
Great point | as I don't believe I've ever spotted to many of the big name power plug connector manufacturers offer pure silver plugs, it seems it's the company like CopperColour | Viborg | Monosaudio that are willing to produce them on request, and even then they're generally priced between $74-$120-$351 each.
So as it stands, I'm thinking about adding the dark ( smoked ) SonarQuest Cyro'ed silver plated copper | unplated copper to my collection, seeming as how I was able to list all 6 of the gold plated copper plugs over on USAudiomart, where they sold within an hour, to my findings as always suspected they lacked the type of speed | top end detailing of which I've become to accustomed to, of which I personally can't live without, total waste of $227, of which should've been spent at least on the CooperColour Pure Silver AC Male.., yet not having at least tried them, I wouldn't have otherwise known they weren't for me.
Live | Learn | Regroup | Grow from said mistakes I'd say.
Wirezoo are the next cheapest @ $165 and do look real good, however the Viborg look to be audio jewellery ! If you don't mind me saying I would seriously hold off on the Solarquest until at least you have heard the unplated solid silver by CC.
Interesting that Viborg increased their prices by a good $ 100 of said connectors than when they were introduced several years ago.
Tangram,
Once again, you've made a very valid point here, yet as I was just rethinking about adding an Oyaide AC-004 " Armored Series " IEC instead of going the other route with a Silver Plated Copper IEC, as I hear it, the combination of a Silver Plated Copper AC suits my system, but..., I'm willing to wager maybe than both a unplated pure silver | silver plated copper tandem, might be a bit much, do recall that I had the IeGO 8095 Pure Silver - Rhodium plated plugs, which were nice, but a tad spot lit, but I never thought to try an unplated copper iec on the other end, which has me doing some serious thinking.
Again I simply can't justify spending more on the plugs considering how much the actual cord cost, I'd see if it was a $400-$600 cord, than I wouldn't feel as bad chocking up the funds, so I'm going to step outside of my head for a few days to get things into perspective | go after one more hybrid set and have to force myself to just chill, as it's getting rather crazy on my end.
Yes just chill out a bit Oscar, it seems you are rather confused and possibly a little frustrated, just put all this plating business at the back of your mind, wait a couple of weeks, let's see my outcome when the CC connectors arrive and I can put in else where namely connected to my blue Xangsane power receptacle replacing what Iam using now. Until then. Enjoy your grandchildren.
Tangram,
Dazed | Confused Begone.
Your sense of logic got to me, and seeming as you've constantly used jazz recordings as a means of evaluating what you've heard with said different platings of plugs, let's just say once again I'm willing to trust your ears | senses and decided to join the club:
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Thanks for the encouragement.
O_o.
Arrived and installed, to be continued!
I'm looking forward to said further adventures | have a set of the pure silver CC plugs coming in, which were finally shipped yesterday.
Oh happy days indeed.
Now to figure out which plating or unplated type of iec inlet to install onto the everSOLO?, and just live.
Thanks again for sparking my interest in pursuing said pure silver connectors, it's more appreciated than you'll ever know, but know that in the next life, all the rounds are on me for an entire year, cheers!.
A silver plated iec, and try first in the most inconspicuous place, from the wall into the puritan conditioner, leave in for a couple of hours at least and let's hear from you there !
O'kay then.It's time to share my findings on using a silver plated copper iec plug connected into the inlet on my Puritan Audio Labs PSM-136 PLC as requested by Tangram, and awaiting 3 hours for it to settle in while I was busy adding once again more music files on the MacBook Air, while chilling in our bedroom for a change, whicb is a first for me, as it's generally kept in the living room.
Yet as I laid down to listen around 3:07PM, from the very first note is was as if everything had become tidier | like the artist were in fact standing side by side or in a semicircular location shoulder to shoulder if you'll, as if they were getting ready for a rehearsal of sort, but when the vocalist or instruments came in, if was if the extra sense of spacing was more expanded beyond the outermost corners of the speakers cabinets | could be both heard and felt as if they had made the way to the rear wall of our living room and walking about in real time..., while I've long known many here | as well as other audio forums have always been fond of using either gold | rhodium or raw copper primarily on the IEC female side of their cords as means of sound tuning their respective systems, yet it wasn't until I actually exchanged emails with three companies which make power plugs means as audiophile graded wares, where I was told that several of them actually preferred the sound of silver plated copper connectors, and also while doing more research into said matter, came across quite a few consumers offering reviews on said plating type on several overseas audio parts ( accessory ) type shops, where at least 5 of them had written they felt the consumers had bought into the whole concept behind rhodium plated plugs, yet never really took the time to compare them against anything else, especially as gold plated plugs started being criticized for lacking speed | detailing and rolling off the highs, which caused me many times in the past to buy and sell them off without even giving them a spin, until last month that is.
As my aging hearing allows, I know that in my system, based upon how I tend to focus on things which reside within the music itself, like truth of timbre | tonality | neutrality | pitch are all important factors to me, which I simply refuse to live without.
So when I'm able to hear further into the recordings and pick upon little hidden nuances or underpinning passages of which I hadn't heard before..., it's then that I begin to pay attention to how often we've all been mislead on the importance of voicing our systems by ear, as if one really needs to go out and buy themselves a new audiophile approved, forget that shit about WAF, which I'll never buy into, I just don't believe in asking for permission to do shit with the money I've earned, as home is priority, yet after that, dammit if I can't treat myself to something, happy wife, happy life my ass, we both have to be happy, life in itself is compromised enough, why settle?, my method is " there's the door, next ". My usual rant as expected, otherwise it just wouldn't be me, would it?.
Back on point now, the type of presentation I'm currently hearing has in fact eluded me for my entire 45 years of being a music lover first type of audiophile, as my love grew from trying to better assemble a system which allowed for a more intimate playback experience from my music collection from day zero, and having over the course of the last two years, my main system has been downsized from what was essentially a $25.000 system, down to one which cost $8.000 including source | integrated amp | speakers | cabling loom | isolation footers and platforms | stands ( both audio | speakers ) and guess what?, via synergistically having matched each component as opposed to just randomly wasting funds on other than some expensive to me, $5700 integrated amps | $5000 little Italian speakers just didn't hold my attention for more than 2-4 hours at a time, whereas I'm able to unknowingly look up, and have spent 10-13 hours listening to me out front, before I force myself to go lay beside my dearest wife, and calm it a wrap.
I can only add, for the small investment one can spend on plugs, I'm just surprised others haven't reported on said tandems which actually perform much much much better than others, if one is more into hearing music?, versus one's collection of audio gear that is?, more often than not, many simply focus their attention on what's coming from the gear, yet very seldom find themselves connected to the essence within the musical notes themselves, I guess I figured it out without having to spend tens or hundreds of thousands, or worse yet, having to pay some so-called guru upwards of $6000, to come to my home and move shit around, as if it's an act!, when Al, one must do is get off that flat ass ( this doesn't apply to the Brothers ) and relocate the speakers | rack(s) according to where each doesn't interfere with the others as far as standing sound waves, and pay added detail to isolation devices, as everything in audio reproduction cost, even attaching a few quarters around one's space chances the sound, pitch wise, try it, of all the different cultures I've been exposed since my days stationed in Japan, the most avid tweaker's of their systems have always been the Taiwanese, followed by the Japanese, where if one seriously thinks about this for a moment, whereas Western were placing their components on tall ass centrally located rack(s) between their speakers, that interfered with sound, the Japanese gear was always placed as close as possible to the floor ( and actually cut outs in their listening room showing bare earth ) because they knew long before many, the lower the stand ( rack | component ) is to the floor, causes less internal resonance | vibrations from the gear, which is always present while listening, it's only picked upon when one uses little devices like harmonic resonators like the NordOst | Furutech | iFi | Pulson types which minimizes the dirt traveling along our homes AC lines, which brings about a certain stillness | silence where one never wishing to go back to how things were before.
Home..., the final frontier, until the Creator calls us home that is, treat it as such, move things around, mix it up a little, ask the little lady to stand aside, and hold down the noise, and maybe you'll stumble upon a place where each component seemingly locks in!.
As the saying goes " it's all in the listening ", naysayers be damned.
Edits: 03/11/24
I don't understand why you were advised to stay away from the unplated silver iec, I have made the comparison to silver plated copper iec and find the unplated silver more nuanced and improved response with less colour.
Edits: 03/12/24
I didn't truthfully understand why I was told this either?, yet a part of me is thinking the both pure silver | raw copper at least used as IEC plugs might be harder to clean ( polish ) their surface areas as they're internally within the casing?. My one regret was not saving this individuals note on this, or asking for more clarification.I'm also trying to in hindsight avoid the harder hitting sound of having used a silver plated power cord with those IeGO 8095 Pure Silver - Rhodium Plated plugs on both ends, as nice as it sounded, that was a edge added to the leading notes which sprang outwards from the tweeters in a very very profound manner, which in fact sounded rather nice when said cord in question was used on either an Aurender X100L Music Server or a Denafrips Pontus ll, but as both to my ears offered a slightly warmer | more laidback presentation than the more upbeat and harder hitting EverSolo DMP-A6, having this extra sense of detailing to my ears merely took things to the extreme.
While I once again loved said components as used together ( both have long been sold in favor of the standalone EverSolo, which sound best fits my needs ) said silver plated cord, and earlier on a NearEAST Odin Gold were used on the Aurender, yet it wasn't until I placed the Accuphase pure copper cord on it, that I began hearing something different enough to love it as it stood, yet thanks again to you | several others I finally tried silver plated copper | un-plated copper which merely offers me the sound I've always craved without knowing it..., so once again as no one size fits all, I've to go with the shoe | gloves | clothing size which is comfortable for me, otherwise this quest would never end.
In this regards, I've to go by what I hear, as well as on which component I'm ideally trying to use said cord on as a means of offering just the right balance sonically, on another slightly more relaxed component, I'm certain pure silver connectors of all sorts might preform better?, as your main electronics are tube based I've to assume?, whereas my main 2 integrated amps are either solid state, or a hybrid type where added detailing would in fact take things to far towards the bright more analytical side of the audio spectrum, which I'd rather avoid.
Just trying my best to use common logic ( sense ) on what sounds | feels best in my particular means of voicing said individual components according to their prescriptive sound, as one type of power cord type, or plating of its plugs works on every component quite the same, which has to be again addressed by ear, no?.
Edits: 03/12/24
I just use the slim cotton pipe cleaners for iec,female xlr etc, once the end of the pipe cleaner is dirty then twist it back and forth to break it off and keep on using until it becomes too short where by you use a new one. I must admit I do enjoy cleaning connectors and know they are pristine again.
Let's see what your ears hear once your CC silver plug arrives and installs.
This mornings listening session has revealed a bigger soundstage with more attack, it's definitely opened up more now. Thats approx 150hrs now, Iam still on digital and loving it with all silver Copper Color except a plated iec into my balanced transformer. I will likely be ordering another CC iec to complete an all unplated silver installation.
What I need to do next is to hear what's going on by changing out a double rhodium receptacle in my Xangsane blue power receptacle to even the gold plated one or whatever, however no rush to do so yet for a couple of months.
That's a great method of cleaning, of which makes sense.
Yet I'll hold off for now as to using a pure silver iec, as once again I've to concerned in how the finale results come together collectively, as I'd rather avoid an overly emphasized top end, which is why I've come to like the flavors I already have, yet whom knows what the future holds?, so I'm not totally blind to the possibilities, just not in the particular placement.
I'll continue to await your findings on things as they progress | read into each post accordingly before acting upon said future endeavors | but never being one to say never, let's see where this goes?.
"An overly emphasised top end" " Eh " he's not heard unplated silver yet .
I'm done with any platings of any kind on my AC and IEC connectors ! IMHO unplated silver is in another world entirely as Iam listening further today confirms this with approximately 170 hrs on the latest purchase.
I'm looking forward to installing the AC Male, which via USPS | 17 Track shows it's down the road a bit in Illinois, so I've to assume it'll be here before the weekend.
Once again I'm open minded enough to have always loved diversity | change for the sake of knowing said truths.
Hi EL,
Getting ready for the swap-a-rooski on the male end. Gonna order a copper iec later today. I have a Furu silver iec, but I will try the copper one first.
I like the way you sign off using the BIG O...-Makes me think of Ocsar Robinson!!
Thank you kind sir for your posts!!
Tangram,
Going through this adventure together seemingly as one has indeed become something in which I look forward to, as you do offer me hope in keeping things like plugs done within reason, as I'm simply not trying to go backwards with those $800-$1359 IC's | $3000 SCs | $800 PCs, not when as you noted before I too am certain a long of the latter are merely $40-$60 PCs, where as you stated once the bling connectors are placed onto them, all of a sudden their asking price increases, if only more people as I've, pulled back the techflex on a lot of these cables | cords, where very seldom a claimed cable manufacturer pays enough attention to actually removing or covering up the OEM name or markings, hence my reason for having sold off 3 different pairs of tin plated copper SCs which cost $510 pair, whereas they were replaced with a very very very similar pair made in China ( of all places, how dare they make something that looks actually like those three costlier brands, eludes me " yeah right " ) live | learn | never be taken again I'd say.
As always I'm all ears | eyes on your findings, and indeed think I'm bold enough to follow suit, in the end it isn't as if I've to sell off body parts or pimp off the wife to buy said connectors, yet once again I just can't justify buying $300-$700 plugs for said Accuphase cord, so I'll be stopping or shopping within the $80-$120 per plug price range | even than as we've both noticed, I don't see any of the so-called big boys even offering pure silver power plug connectors.
And while I was very very athletic in my youth, standing 6' 6" tall, and weighing a very solid 245lbs on average between the ages of 13-45, ( where these days as weighed yesterday at the doctors office, 275lbs, still seems to stop guys from feeling the need to walk upon me while the wife and I are out for a stroll, shit..., visions of myself in the mirror scares me as well, my Mother refers to me as Baby Shaq, of course I don't see any sort of resemblance, so I tend to play it off, but underneath am chuckling ) and was the type that always seems to know how to go after rebounds, as excelled at sports, and regret not being in the right place, or time to have been discovered by some scout, as I know it, there are plenty of young men at the time where I felt were only to become playground legions within our communities, where if placed against a lot of these today's NBA players would put them to shame, many just never had the chance to get out of the hood as the saying goes, as more often than not these same kids dropped out of school and felt obligated to assist their single household Mothers in rearing their younger siblings, I've seen this on at least 17 occasions, where these kids were being offered full ride type scholarships at the ages of 12, but as life had other plans for them, a few even were killed playing ghetto games as the result of thinking carrying around a handgun makes one tough, it's only when the gun isn't within reach, they realize they're victims themselves.
The Big O, was initially intended as a " smiley face " as used with my standard email signature, but said emoji doesn't show here, hence the O_o, where the undercard slash is said smile.
Thanks for catching that by the way, as always I'm all in young fella, let the cards fall where they may?. Till then, Peace.
You nailed it el34, no doubt you will get the dreaded burn in swings, as iam today, after a weekend of not being able to have a sesssion. Iam getting some rather strange resonance on some notes and just lacking in vitality, oh well at least I know all about this transitional stage as I have experienced it a few times now !!!
Thanks Tangram,As I thought about my constant off topic rants can be off putting to some, but I'm certain we all have stories to tell, it's merely a matter of one's willingness to speak on said matters as they relate to our daily lives | experiences.
I've to suppose as someone whom once again worked as a primary audio hardware buyer, I learned decades ago to listen beyond the chances in the sound of cabling or components | had the ability to only focus on the actual playback of notes within the recordings, so while I've seen plenty of folks talk about items burning or settling in, I've only experienced once as far back as us moving into our apartment of which we've resided since November 2009, as my usual practice was always to place the AC Receptacles on either side of the system, at which point I'd perfectly locate the equipment stand, and speaker stands, and afterwards via the old Sumiko ( Audio Physics ) Master Set method for speaker placement, where I believe everything is locked into its best ( final ) position, I than carry on said listening sessions and never felt the need to relocate anything..., it's only after having established said placement for said items, that the furniture is carefully centered | located within this shared space, and never once moved.
My aging ears as they're, simply adapt to ways of listening beyond any extra noises from the electronics themselves, yet as hinted at in the post before last, I addresses noises traveling along the AC mains as far back as 2010, starting with a single Audioprism QuietLine, before having ended up with 3-4of the Add-Powr Electraclear eau4's placed around the primary room, with great effects I'd add, so feeling that I've paid attention to ways of producing an even quieter listening area, said types of weird noises other than what's within the recordings, don't catch me off guard anymore..., yet the sense again of little spatial details within the fiber of vocal and instrumental shadings of which I'm currently hearing are simply mind blowing in more ways than one, Man had I only experimented with the tandems of un-plated copper | pure silver | silver plated copper power connectors say 17 years ago, what might've been possible?. Yet I'd mention the combination I'm using in said location is once again an Oyaide AP-004 Beryllium Copper | Platinum-Palladium ACMale | Viborg VF502S Silver Plated Copper IEC Female Plugs.
I'll explore the Pure Silver CopperColour upon its arrival, and I was told by several of those guys that produce said power connectors, to avoid the Pure Silver IECs, for what struck me as maybe health reasons?, of which caused me to cancel my order on the latter and stick with un-plated copper or silver plated copper ones at the tail end of the cords I've selected, of which I just don't have any reason to doubt my hearing. I just know, in our home I can't justify using gold plating anywhere whatsoever.
It's like as much as I've loved the three variants of the Naim Nait's ( 5Si | XS-3 | SuperNait 3 ) over a period of time as Turan ( A British Audiophile) mentioned in his YouTube review of the former, they each apparently chop off the extreme top end detail, as an effort of making them more forgiving of older recordings | yet that extra microsecond or so that's required for proper rimshots | shimmering cymbal decay timing wise has been reduced, it's only when I compared each to the extremely nicely balanced little Heed Audio Obelisk Si MK lll, and its ink, that I honestly felt I was hearing every little sparkle | snap | crackle | pop as clearly as I ever had, which got me to thinking to myself after said Nait 5Si | SuperNait 3 were sold, if I had only had the wonderful sense of top end detail | beauty as rendered by a single pair of Xangsane XS-9001Ag IC's just how much it would've restored this sense of balance to the listening experience where I'd have lived with the latter version until the Creator had called me home.
I believe there are times where each of us have nice gear, yet also can overlook the little details like synergy | which cabling looms or types of plating connector wise, just might cause us to pause on the so-called next upgrade | simply enjoy listening long term, to where I've come to believe, if a system has been chosen wisely, one is less likely to change out things for at the bare minimum 10-15 years, depending upon the equipments overall design | quality of both external and internal components?.
These days, I just don't have the heart, nor the funds to buy a complete system including stands | cabling loom at around $50.000 or more, as those days of real checks are well behind me, so I make due by selecting said plating types of connectors | cables | PCs by ear, and it's weird...-, but the cheaper items to my mind have bought about a more enjoyable listening experience which is far greater than the much more expensive items each have replaced, here I'm taking both electronics | cables, go figure.
Edits: 03/11/24 03/11/24
As it stands I meant to add | my own personal experience has led me to only use the tandems of either silver plated copper ac | unplated copper iec , as well as a pure silver ac | silver plated copper iec plugs..., period.Our space is now, both gold | rhodium free, with the exception of the latter being soldered onto a pair of my cherished SCs, which as fate would've it,mi dare not change.
Until next time.
Peace B'onto Y'all.
Edits: 03/09/24
So In other words use it on the end which goes into the Puritan Audio Labs PSM-136 PLC?, I'd have never thought to have tried one there as opposed to having Oyaide " Armored Series " AP | AC 004 types on both ends of a third Greg Knight GK-6008Ag silver plated copper PC, which to my ears bettered their stock Xangsane rhodium plated copper?, or brass thingies?.
I'll replace it in the morning | as I've been spending the last 7 hours sampling and buying files to add to my collection, at this point both the eyes | mind are playing tricks on me, one of the blessings I suppose comes with aging, I mean that in a good way, as I've lost quite a few friends that were way younger than me, so I'm not complaining about the blessing of being fortunate enough to have reached my age, but as so long as the mind is still active | responds like a mid 30 year old, I'm very very happy with that.
I'll report back in shortly after breakfast.
Tangram,More confused than frustrated, at this moment it seems I'm uncertain which direction to go in?, so yes I'll step away from making any purchases anytime soon, and just concentrate on listening to music, it isn't as if any of these items are going anywhere anytime soon.
Besides, I'd place my focus on adding pieces of wall art to our home as shown above.
Thanks | the grandchildren do require said time spent, do they not?.
Edits: 02/28/24
Tangram,
My apologies for the delayed response | as it was movie marathon day with our 6 year old granddaughter, where she sat behind through all 6 of the Alien based movies, and seemingly enjoying herself which was a good thing, as I love having her like my beloved | cherish wife at my side while viewing movies, which is the only time I find myself facing the TV these days, as many of the more common shows of late, just bore the hell out of me, but put on a Sci-Fi, or Horror flick and I'm all in, eyes and ears I'd add.
Being as I've always viewed vinyl playback as a more superior medium, yet due to knee problems as far back as 2004, which had only gotten worser by 2009, forcing me into a early retirement, and by March 2010, it forced me away from spinning vinyl, and drove me over to the dark side with digital files, of which through very extensive voicing, has bought me into a state of bliss, and as you've stated, I no longer have to get up every 20 minutes or so to flip sides, which I really don't miss at all, " look Mom, no more wear and tear on the record collection, nor my knees ".
You've made me curious enough to rethink the pure silver CopperColour plugs, seeming as how they're in fact the most cost effective ones I've been able to come across to date, yet all told in my heart I know all to well I'd happily live out the rest of my days with the silver plated copper | unplated copper plugs placed as such, but one never really knows where the next small step might take us, if we're willing to explore further that is?.
When you say that you'll be buying two more CopperColour AC's, am I to assume you're referring to more of the pure silver ones?, just curious
By all means continue to re-educate me on said matters | options, I mean after all I'm at the point where 5 different integrated amps | 6 pairs of mini-monitors | 6 pairs each of various types wiring wise of IC's | SCs | 2 DACs, in..., I don't see spending an extra $150 on said pair of pure silver plugs as a need to lose any sleep over. So count me in, as I don't see myself needing any other cables or gear anytime soon, knock on wood everything is new or fairly new for the minty used items I've purchased over the last two years, so I'm once again all ears.
Thanks again for your willingness to share this journey with me, it has been quite educational to say the least, who knows, maybe one of these days I'll come to appreciate the finer qualities of gold plated copper plugs as it seem you obviously do?, I'm not one to ever say never to logic.
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