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In Reply to: RE: Peter Gunn and the World of Tomorrow posted by TheGoodCaptain on March 24, 2008 at 06:30:23
Your post is greatly appreciated. Back in January I wrote, “When I finally accepted that no matter how much money I spend or how much equipment I buy, there will always be a system that is better than my system, I got off the ‘merry-go-round’ and started enjoying both my system and the music more.”
I currently own MG20.1s and love the sound that has been achieved with five years of tweaking and upgrading various aspects of the system. The system gives me a great deal of pleasure and continues to allow for wonderful “musical” journeys into my LP and CD collection.
Rather than being threatened by Peter’s mods of the MMGs and 1.6s, I am intrigued and anxious to hear the set that will eventually be coming to Texas. Based upon the comments of people who have actually heard the “Gunned” speakers, I have little doubt that it will be a wonderful sounding speaker. I look forward to the opportunity to hear and enjoy the speaker. Does it mean I will trade my MG20.1s for the “Gunned” MMGs? “No.” Even if the MMGs are “better” (richer, warmer, deeper, more musical, etc.) than my MG20.1s, it does not diminish the fact that my current system gives me great pleasure. The ideal thing would be for one of my friends to own them so I could visit and experience them occasionally. In the same vein, when Audio Research comes out with the Reference 3 and the reviewers all indicate that it is far “superior” to the REF 2II that I own, does it somehow negate the musical experience that I am currently getting in my system? “No.” So, I don’t feel compelled to change. Might my system sound better with the REF 3? "Possibly.” How much better? “Hard to tell.” Far too often, the improvements are pretty subtle. If I have the money and want to further improve my system, no problem. However, if I don’t have the money or am happy with the sound I currently have, it is “my choice.” Likewise, no one is forced to buy a “Gunned” speaker. The point is: “If you are receiving pleasure from listening to your current system, that pleasure shouldn’t be lessened just because another system might be better or that an expensive tweak might make your system even better.”
For the past five years, I have enjoyed the privilege of learning and participating in the Planer Asylum. It has been great to have a site that allows for sharing, reading, and learning about equipment, music, and tweaks with fellow audiophiles. I learned of the Boston Audio Mat One, Speltz autoformer, and Mye Stands on PA and all improved the enjoyment of my system when installed. I have also enjoyed and learned a great deal from Peter’s postings on PA. I wrote him an email thanking him for making PA an interesting and informative place to visit. I am irritated and frustrated when members sink to a personal level in their postings. I enjoy the give and take of commentary as well as the intensity of disagreement that can honestly occur but it never needs to become personal.
I don’t always agree with Peter but I do find his contributions to PA to be educational and entertaining. When he finally “sees the light” and has a mod for my MG20.1s, I will respect him even more and probably consider joining his waiting list. LOL.
DLB
"Music is framed in silence."
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I'd like these what he could do with the 3.6. I stopped chasing rainbows after my son was born 18 months ago. I love the sound of my system. My cheif complaint is not having as much time to enjoy the music.
Poor me.... :^ )
Thank you for the sane post. You are entirely right, just like my little sidebar says, it's all about the music. If you are happy you should not tear your hair out worrying over the "next big thing". It's good to hear that there are other people who understand this.
I'm not sure which pair coming to texas you're waiting for, but if you mean the "tour" maggies that may never happen. When I have time this summer I'll look into it again, but rather than send them to persons, I'd rather send them to a few select audio clubs or groups, and as I recall one in Texas was interested so you may still be in luck. I just checked my calendar and see I will be doing MMG's from Austin next month. Do you mean that?
As far as seeing the light, I tried, but true ribbon models simply cannot be done. The best I could do is make wooden frames for them (which would yield improvements for sure) but that's it. I will admit trepidation in even doing that because the 1.6's are difficult to deal with once solid wood due to their size. I am not looking forward to shipping 3.6's or worse, 20.1's. I may try a pair of 3.6's sometime this year, we'll have to see. I am supposed to be doing 2 point somethings this june as well, which will be a kind of pre test for that.
Thanks again.
It's all about the music...
Curious, what is the issue(s) that make true ribbons not possible to do?
Currently using a Velodyn DD-15, and getting ready to bi-amp the 3.6s by using my Levinson 332 on the bass, and two Rogue M-120s on the mid/hi. Is it the fact that there is an internal crossover in the speaker for the mid/hi? Or some other issue with the ribbon itself, on / off transients, or other?
Thanks!
My mod is based on my belief that the shared 1st order XO of the SMGa is the best XO any maggie driver can use, and I adapt it for every other model.
The large ribbon tweeter models have panels that instead of having midbass and tweeter sections, have a seperate mid and bass driver and for some reason they don't want to play nice together. Because of this it is nearly impossible to apply this XO. At first my guy said he couldn't do it at all, and then eventually he figured out how to but the cost of the parts alone was like $1,400, and it would require a XO box the size of a steamer trunk.
Not only is this obviously rediculous, part of the beauty of this XO is the minimal-ness of parts. That's kind of lost with 8 inductors and 15 caps per side.... or whatever it worked out to.
So going to a good active XO is probably the best option for tweaking these models.
It's all about the music...
If I understand correctly, you credit a lot of the improvement people find in your mods to the wooden frames. Even if you can't mod the crossovers of the ribbon models, why not do the frames and let the owners play around with active crossover options (or even settle for their stock crossovers with the nicer frames, attachment methods, etc)?
I am sure it would have a large improvement, however due to the size of my work queue, I owe it to those people to get thru things as quickly as I can.
Modding a new model for the first time, especially ones like the 3.6 which present unique problems (the ribbon tweeter, not to mention the size and fact I don't like the way they sound to begin with) can take some time, (possibly weeks) of hands on attention and repeated listening and tweaking. I can't spare that right now. I do plan on fitting in a 3.6 one day and we'll see what happens.
It's all about the music...
Yes, we are waiting for the MMGs for Austin. There is a group of interested parties which hope to hear them when you get them done.
DLB
"Music is framed in silence."
Are you the one getting them? I'd be curious to hear them.
No, I am not the lucky one. SamandNoah is the one scheduled for the "Gunned MMGs." There is a lot of interest in central Texas to hear them.
I think we may need to schedule a full day, plan a lunch, and have a series of listening sessions. After all, we don't want 20 people in the room trying to evaluate the sound, do we??? LOL
SamandNoah, if your viewing this, I hope you will let us know when you get them and how we can help you set up listening sessions.
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DLB
"Music is framed in silence."
Travis
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