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Know how it is, when Manufacturers are forced to try and mount a market trend that's already in progress ? And they're not really too interested in it, their heart's not in it since it's not where they've bet the ranch, and they're certainly not invested in the idea, either financially or imaginatively... in fact by any stretch ..... ?You know what I mean ? It's kind of like when you pick up your kid's toy whatever-it-is, and you peel back the "Lilo And Stitch" label and find the "Pocahontas" graphic underneath that?
Same toy, same cheap piece of chinese shit, but there's something kinda sneaky and disingenuous about that, don't you think ?
Something is lost when the kid realizes that, somehow, to some evil bastard, Lilo, Stitch, Pocahontas and even Hello Kitty are interchangeable fluff ...Well, if you're from the New York / New Jersey area you certainly know what I mean.
Even though they have a kind of dimwit-mom-&-pop appeal, the makers of local brand Carvel ice cream have always used a system that is similar to the above.
Their business evolved in a different era, when ice-cream was a major event, often an excursion for the family that would be planned and spotlighted in advance, especially for a Birthday or Big Occasion. What they came up with was Ice Cream In Generic Molds, that could be decorated per the custom occasion or for seasonal events.If you happened to be a child of four, this was great, a really special treat from your parents or grandparents for a special day.
If you happened to be a skeptical child of, say, eleven or so, schooled in the arts of parental manipulation and control, things began to become a little more transparent.
That very same "Fudgie The Whale" icecream cake that was great fun at your birthday looked a lot like the exact same shape as the Santa Claus cake for christmas, just re-oriented, so the whale-face was redecorated as St Nick's face, and the whale's tail could be decorated in red for santa's hat. This became suspicious.When Easter rolled around, the whale-tail was redecorated this time as Bunny Ears, and well, you get the idea. Downright insulting was the late-spring "To A Whale Of A Dad" icecream cake, for Father's Day, that brought us back full-circle again. Don't even ask what was up with "Cookie Puss" or "Winnie The Witch". And what they might have in common. With whales.
This was almost begging the observant adolescent to infer that there was diabolical fakery being practised, at the expense of innocent children everywhere. And to extend that inference ---to the Adult World in general.Keep that in mind when we consider Idler Drive Turntable Technology.
The prevailing wisdom is / was : No Manufacturer Today Would Seriously Undertake The R&D And Tooling Expenses Required ---to once again produce the complex, clockwork-like precision idler system seen on classic turntables of years back. Have a look at an Emt 927 for an example of same.Funny things happen though, when there is lots of internet chat about vintage gear that doesn't net current manufacturers any profit.
Well, guess what ? Looks like we have a Big Surprise and also, a simultaneous appearance, of No Surprise There --- also known, to some observant former adolescents, as "Fudgie The Whale".The Big surprise is that at least two manufacturers are taking a whack at the Idler Drive. Just imagine ! Todays technology and materials applied to.... hold it right there.
The No-Surprise-There moment, the big Fudgie The Whale Award, goes to these same 'designers' who simply figured they'd take their pre-existing motors and, without benefit of an Actual Idler Mechanism --- well, let's just see what happens if we kind of lean it against the platter--- put it right on the Internet, to see if it drums up any demand. Or is able to co-opt any of the no-net-gain Idler chitchat.... but this time with a current Brand Name.This bears some emphasisizing.
Rather than expending the time effort & money required to set up a real Idler Drive mechanism ---with it's attendant sprung intermediate-wheel carriages and motor suspension elements--- our pioneering designers have decided to be really bold.
And being truly bold in this case entails : no new motor, no new idler mechanism, nothing really newly engineered at all, really. And certainly no new turntable. Either a pre-existing motor-flywheel, in one case, or a pre-existing directdrive motor in the other.... And then, as mentioned, well, just kind of leaning the motor against the platter.
You know, simpler-is-better, less-is-more, no-out-of-pocket costs... something profound like that.And, at least in one case, post full-color photos on Vinyl Asylum--- to run it up the flag-pole and see if anybody salutes.
This is convenience and Freedom-From-R&D-Cost that other industries only dream about.Unless those Industries just happen to be in the business of relentlessy re-Badging Fudgie The Whale.
I wonder if Carvel could make up an Ice Cream Cake to commemorate "Fudging The Details, A Whale Of A Product Research Cost-Savings" ...
I'm just going to step up and say that I bet they could.J.D.
Edits: 08/14/07
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Topic - New Idlers, But Only On The Cheap ... Our Designers Show Their Colors ... Again. /long - J.D. 13:23:01 08/14/07 (79)
- Anticipating... - larryLR 02:25:11 08/16/07 (7)
- RE: Anticipating... - J.D. 08:46:45 08/16/07 (6)
- OK, re:Teres then... - larryLR 13:07:53 08/17/07 (2)
- RE: Teres then... - J.D. 16:45:02 08/17/07 (1)
- I heard a prototype rather briefly... - larryLR 03:07:38 08/18/07 (0)
- RE: Anticipating... - cbrady 12:54:20 08/16/07 (2)
- RE: Anticipating... - ffrr 23:43:20 08/17/07 (0)
- RE: Anticipating... - J.D. 13:44:04 08/16/07 (0)
- Interesting thoughts, but I'm not sure I agree..... - JimL 15:43:50 08/15/07 (18)
- RE: AC power in the fifties and sixties. - user510 17:32:35 08/15/07 (0)
- RE: Interesting thoughts - J.D. 17:01:53 08/15/07 (16)
- RE: Interesting thoughts - cbrady 21:01:50 08/15/07 (14)
- RE: Interesting thoughts - Dave Garretson 06:50:59 08/16/07 (5)
- RE: Interesting, but - J.D. 10:08:13 08/16/07 (4)
- Fortunately for all us... - Dave Garretson 12:42:12 08/16/07 (3)
- It's kind of touching - J.D. 13:01:56 08/16/07 (2)
- I FINALLY GET WHAT JD IS SAYING !! - Caspyr 20:17:43 08/18/07 (1)
- NICE CAPS !! ................. weak post. - J.D. 13:02:27 08/19/07 (0)
- "control of the drive wheel pressure is obtained by placement of the rubber feet under the motor." - J.D. 21:35:37 08/15/07 (7)
- EMT - similar conclusion .................... - bornin50s 18:18:33 08/17/07 (0)
- RE: "control of the drive wheel pressure is obtained by placement of the rubber feet under the motor." - cbrady 13:00:58 08/16/07 (1)
- RE: "control of the drive wheel pressure is obtained by placement of the rubber feet under the motor." - J.D. 13:13:22 08/16/07 (0)
- RE: "Feeble" - Ivan303 22:01:03 08/15/07 (3)
- RE: "Feeble" - J.D. 08:53:25 08/16/07 (2)
- How so? - cbrady 12:49:03 08/16/07 (1)
- "Repositioning of the rubber feet under the Verus motor allows for fine tuning of the drive pressure." - J.D. 13:39:14 08/16/07 (0)
- ...a "tourbillon" equivalent? nt - je2a3 18:52:48 08/15/07 (0)
- perhaps this is what we envisioned when.... - user510 11:46:44 08/15/07 (4)
- ..if I may add some historical perspective..... - je2a3 13:05:35 08/15/07 (1)
- RE: ..if I may add some historical perspective..... - user510 13:54:02 08/15/07 (0)
- Wow. How elegant-looking is that. Nice find. /nt/ - powermatic 12:43:21 08/15/07 (0)
- you've got the picture - J.D. 11:47:45 08/15/07 (0)
- Thoughtful and interesting post that should be a basis - powermatic 22:59:26 08/14/07 (0)
- RE: the benefits of a transmission - user510 21:36:29 08/14/07 (13)
- I may be missing something here... - Ivan303 05:25:50 08/15/07 (8)
- RE: I may be missing something here... - user510 08:02:02 08/15/07 (3)
- Yes, but the "Idler" itself plays no role in any of this... - Ivan303 08:07:17 08/15/07 (2)
- Perhaps there is an RPM factor to consider - tubesforever 14:33:22 08/15/07 (0)
- RE: that's right - user510 08:15:20 08/15/07 (0)
- RE: I may be missing something here... - ffrr 05:34:38 08/15/07 (3)
- RE: I may be missing something here... - cbrady 08:57:34 08/15/07 (0)
- RE: I may be missing something here... - rgordonpf 06:42:14 08/15/07 (1)
- Yes, I was just trying to explain the "advantage" of using an idler wheel over ... - ffrr 00:48:08 08/16/07 (0)
- I like that - anumber1 05:07:19 08/15/07 (3)
- this thought must have you planning something - OMalley 05:18:57 08/15/07 (2)
- RE: this thought must have you planning something - anumber1 05:24:13 08/15/07 (1)
- "friend with a large tonearm collection" - OMalley 17:30:31 08/15/07 (0)
- Yep, I am certainly beginning to sense that (nt) - ffrr 16:53:01 08/14/07 (0)
- Colors - cbrady 16:28:25 08/14/07 (10)
- Palette - J.D. 17:01:47 08/14/07 (8)
- Perplexed - cbrady 23:20:17 08/14/07 (7)
- Counter Perplexity .... a breakdown - J.D. 11:31:33 08/15/07 (0)
- Skating on thin ice with ruby scapel blades. - Elmo 03:37:42 08/15/07 (5)
- pastime - J.D. 10:34:26 08/15/07 (3)
- RE: pastime - Elmo 03:53:51 08/16/07 (0)
- RE: pastime - cbrady 11:27:39 08/15/07 (1)
- with a fox ? - J.D. 14:40:45 08/15/07 (0)
- Nice laurel branch - Dave Garretson 03:53:44 08/15/07 (0)
- Ya forgot risk averse… - wawa2020 16:45:24 08/14/07 (0)
- i know what you mean [irony is dead] - OMalley 15:47:39 08/14/07 (7)
- RE: i know what you mean [irony is dead] - J.D. 16:01:31 08/14/07 (6)
- Is that a large scale ship diesel electric diagram? nt - Caucasian Blackplate 22:20:49 08/14/07 (3)
- RE: large scale ship diesel electric - J.D. 10:06:13 08/15/07 (2)
- I musta missed the memo.. - Caspyr 10:14:28 08/15/07 (1)
- you musta missed the memo, yeah. .....and the point. - J.D. 14:56:25 08/15/07 (0)
- ooooh, that's my new wallpaper - OMalley 16:48:09 08/14/07 (1)
- RE: ooooh, that's my new wallpaper - J.D. 17:09:42 08/14/07 (0)
- Jeez! I don't even know where to start.... - Ivan303 15:08:21 08/14/07 (4)
- where to start.... - J.D. 15:51:14 08/14/07 (3)
- RE: Sorry, but I still a little confused.... - Ivan303 19:18:38 08/14/07 (2)
- Ivan, now you're getting into the spirit of things! - powermatic 20:31:03 08/14/07 (0)
- you seem like a really nice guy - OMalley 19:22:47 08/14/07 (0)
- Wow… why so crabby? - wawa2020 13:50:29 08/14/07 (6)
- RE: Wow… why so crabby? - mothra 09:49:07 08/15/07 (0)
- This bunny? - Caspyr 07:43:52 08/15/07 (1)
- RE: "Have to wonder what Chris did that pissed JD off... " - Ivan303 08:05:01 08/15/07 (0)
- Stupendous technical response. ... nt - J.D. 15:52:02 08/14/07 (0)
- Well, you see the bunny turned out to be chocolate, and - M3 lover 15:10:30 08/14/07 (1)
- cooly calculated technical rejoinder to a stupendous technical followup ... nt - J.D. 15:55:22 08/14/07 (0)