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In Reply to: Re: This mo's Stereopile, Fremer on vinyl's drawbacks posted by cjfrbw on July 18, 2006 at 13:32:45:
In the article, he argues that vinyl is not a perfect medium. That's all. There are flaws. And reel-to-reel is potentially much superior to vinyl. For example, Fremer suggests that while the outer groove area of the LP can have sound quality that comes extremely close to the master tape, the inner groove area, which moves much slower than the outer groove area, sounds clearly inferior to the master tape. Reel-to-reel has no such problem.CDs have problems too. At the end of the article, Fremer suggests that he'd rather have the compromises required of vinyl than those of compact discs. Overall, he prefers the sound of records. So, I can only think that Tightwad sees what he wants to see. The verdict that Tightwad states is not the one that Fremer does.
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Follow Ups Full ThreadTopic - This mo's Stereopile, Fremer on vinyl's drawbacks - Tightwad 11:08:02 07/18/06 (153)
- Let's shoot for a page to topic ratio of 1:1 (this is my little contribution) (nt) - krenzler 18:15:53 07/19/06 (1)
- Let's all go to A&W. A&W. A&W. Food's more fun at A&W... - tketcham 19:33:26 07/19/06 (0)
- Wow, can we discuss religion and politics until everyone calms down?(nt) - Bry 15:03:58 07/19/06 (0)
- You just might beat Guys record for number of replies. nm - tketcham 18:59:25 07/18/06 (13)
- My intent, honestly, was not to troll, nor . . . - Tightwad 19:11:26 07/18/06 (12)
- It's not about "hackles" it's about - kavakidd 22:37:39 07/18/06 (0)
- $5K is a hell of a lot of money, I too would expect a turntable at that ungodly price to be perfect as well! - Teresa 21:08:54 07/18/06 (1)
- Re: $5K is a hell of a lot of money, I too would expect a turntable at that ungodly price to be perfect as well! - newyorkp7 21:28:58 07/18/06 (0)
- Personal decisions cannot be blamed on anyone but themselves ... - tketcham 20:26:58 07/18/06 (3)
- Pointed rock in the water?? OUCH! But great analogy. I like it ;-) ... - matt67bianco 22:05:49 07/18/06 (2)
- Re: Pointed rock in the water?? OUCH! But great analogy. I like it ;-) ... - tketcham 06:15:03 07/19/06 (1)
- It was a very pointed analogy... - axolotl 13:51:36 07/19/06 (0)
- Do you own a turntable? - powermatic 19:38:46 07/18/06 (4)
- My turntable is larger than my television (pic inside). - Tightwad 08:49:05 07/19/06 (3)
- Painting with a broad brush. - powermatic 20:04:09 07/19/06 (0)
- Re: My turntable is larger than my television (pic inside). - Biff 10:37:32 07/19/06 (1)
- What's your point? - Tightwad 10:43:30 07/19/06 (1)
- You should read the whole article and not just the headline. - Terry P 17:21:10 07/18/06 (7)
- In other words, Fremer trots out the same cliches and appeals to romanticism . . . - Tightwad 19:00:14 07/18/06 (6)
- You really don't get it. - kavakidd 22:39:31 07/18/06 (0)
- I smell sour grapes from you Tightwad. What I hate is people pimping low resolution CD. - Teresa 21:16:39 07/18/06 (2)
- Yup - even cassette - - kavakidd 15:11:27 07/19/06 (0)
- Give it up, Theresa! - jsm 14:41:57 07/19/06 (0)
- If you don't mind me asking, - newyorkp7 19:42:26 07/18/06 (1)
- Wrong on all counts. I've only sold about five of my LPs in my lifetime . . . - Tightwad 08:32:12 07/19/06 (0)
- Tightwad blows - OMalley 17:10:16 07/18/06 (2)
- What are we going to do with you OMalley? - Jack Seaton 17:23:59 07/18/06 (1)
- appypolylodges [nt] - OMalley 19:05:27 07/18/06 (0)
- Each format has it's pros and cons... - kenster 16:20:10 07/18/06 (0)
- Re: This mo's Stereopile, Fremer on vinyl's drawbacks - Wendell Narrod 16:00:19 07/18/06 (3)
- Re: This mo's Stereopile, Fremer on vinyl's drawbacks - dudeupshaw@cogeco.ca 22:06:22 07/18/06 (0)
- Tightwad? Stir up a pointless debate?? Nah. /nt\ - HenryH 16:33:14 07/18/06 (0)
- You are right. - srdavis2000 16:20:12 07/18/06 (0)
- Re: This mo's Stereopile, Fremer on vinyl's drawbacks - old6eyes 15:32:10 07/18/06 (0)
- The physical nature.. - castironandtubes 15:20:14 07/18/06 (38)
- Re: The physical nature.. - cjfrbw 15:25:52 07/18/06 (37)
- This is my belief also - jbangelfish 15:35:15 07/18/06 (31)
- Re: This is my belief also - Tightwad 15:41:11 07/18/06 (30)
- Lossless copy my ass - jbangelfish 15:44:57 07/18/06 (29)
- I don't believe it either; coping anything to Digital involves losses! - Teresa 21:25:58 07/18/06 (25)
- Re: I don't believe it either; coping anything to Digital involves losses! - John Elison 06:19:22 07/19/06 (24)
- no it doesn't - OMalley 19:35:25 07/19/06 (0)
- I don't need luck when I am correct, and I am correct 100%! - Teresa 17:12:30 07/19/06 (0)
- Please define accurate - jbangelfish 07:38:09 07/19/06 (21)
- Why don't you look it up in the dictionary? Also, look up "reproduction" while you're at it.... - John Elison 11:51:22 07/19/06 (1)
- This may surprise you but I know what it means - jbangelfish 13:26:13 07/19/06 (0)
- Re: Please define accurate - Tightwad 08:29:15 07/19/06 (18)
- I scanned your article. My concern is how something sounds and how close that is to what I hear live! - Teresa 17:27:16 07/19/06 (0)
- Re: Please define accurate - George Mann 15:10:16 07/19/06 (0)
- Re: Nyquist - Shannon - castironandtubes 09:40:50 07/19/06 (9)
- Aha, now somebody is finally using his brain . . . - Tightwad 09:51:22 07/19/06 (8)
- talk about imperial measures - castironandtubes 10:17:11 07/19/06 (7)
- Re: talk about imperial measures - Chefren 03:06:07 07/21/06 (0)
- P.S. So empiricism has nothing to do with judging accuracy? (nt) - Tightwad 10:45:32 07/19/06 (2)
- Well that has nothing to do with what I said. nt. - castironandtubes 11:00:40 07/19/06 (1)
- Maybe he thought you meant empirical? :-) (nt) - ffrr 22:55:43 07/21/06 (0)
- Re: talk about imperial measures - Tightwad 10:41:14 07/19/06 (2)
- Re: talk about imperial measures - George Mann 15:22:33 07/19/06 (0)
- You know you're being a troll - castironandtubes 11:16:05 07/19/06 (0)
- You are not JE and you did not define accurate - jbangelfish 09:17:36 07/19/06 (1)
- Great points and I agree with all. And I would like to ad I didn't discover Vinyl until after CD was invented as - Teresa 17:48:42 07/19/06 (0)
- Re: Please define accurate - Biff 08:42:15 07/19/06 (3)
- Oops, I really meant to change the subject line.... - Biff 08:44:12 07/19/06 (2)
- Are you one of those subjectivists . . . - Tightwad 08:55:41 07/19/06 (1)
- Re: Are you one of those subjectivists . . . - Biff 09:35:33 07/19/06 (0)
- Re: Lossless copy my ass - Tightwad 15:57:39 07/18/06 (2)
- What kind of fucked up question is that? - jbangelfish 16:03:50 07/18/06 (1)
- "You kiss your mother with that mouth?" doesn't make sense on the internet. (nt) - Tightwad 09:56:41 07/19/06 (0)
- I smell something . . . - Tightwad 15:31:43 07/18/06 (4)
- It may be your ass - jbangelfish 15:46:15 07/18/06 (2)
- I clicked on your post hoping for . . . - Tightwad 15:55:19 07/18/06 (1)
- yup, sorry - jbangelfish 15:58:55 07/18/06 (0)
- Re: I smell something . . . - cjfrbw 15:34:44 07/18/06 (0)
- Someone should just ask Fremer what he meant - Biff 15:11:42 07/18/06 (1)
- Gee. That makes sense. It'll never happen. nm - tketcham 18:57:57 07/18/06 (0)
- Mastering, mastering, and mastering. - olddude55 14:55:03 07/18/06 (0)
- Re: This mo's Stereopile, Fremer on vinyl's drawbacks - cjfrbw 13:32:45 07/18/06 (2)
- Even Fremer Touts Vinyl's Superiority to CDs... - AnalogJ 13:46:17 07/18/06 (1)
- Re: Even Fremer Touts Vinyl's Superiority to CDs... - cjfrbw 15:08:53 07/18/06 (0)
- But It DOES....sort of - AnalogJ 13:19:29 07/18/06 (22)
- Agree - jbangelfish 15:56:52 07/18/06 (2)
- The Superiority of Vinyl, Only If... - AnalogJ 19:20:00 07/18/06 (0)
- Re: Agree - Tightwad 15:59:54 07/18/06 (0)
- Re: But It DOES....sort of - Fred J 14:10:27 07/18/06 (0)
- Re: But It DOES....sort of - Tightwad 13:34:04 07/18/06 (17)
- Re: But It DOES....sort of - AnalogJ 13:39:41 07/18/06 (16)
- Re: But It DOES....sort of - beto 18:03:37 07/18/06 (0)
- I agree Vinyl gets us the closest to the sound of the Master Tape with the soul exception of 2 track Reel to Reel dubs. - Teresa 15:17:44 07/18/06 (14)
- You are wrong. - jsm 14:37:06 07/19/06 (8)
- I am 100% correct. And people have made CD-R's for me from LPs and they are missing all of LPs resolution. - Teresa 18:03:24 07/19/06 (2)
- Theresa, there is no hope! You still don't get it. - jsm 11:34:33 07/21/06 (1)
- Not possible every single SACD I have compared to it's audiophile LP version - Teresa 22:31:07 07/21/06 (0)
- I can do that too - but it's not the same process - kavakidd 15:15:30 07/19/06 (0)
- Finally some truth! Thank you, Joe. (nt) - John Elison 15:11:34 07/19/06 (3)
- Forgive me for asking but when is the experiment involving Mr. Lavigne's set-up scheduled to take place? (nt) - krenzler 20:11:22 07/19/06 (2)
- Good question.... - John Elison 03:10:49 07/20/06 (1)
- Thanks for the link. Looking forward to the result once it's done (nt) - krenzler 14:49:48 07/20/06 (0)
- Re: I agree Vinyl gets us the closest to the sound of the Master Tape with the soul exception of 2 track Reel to Reel du - mothra 07:48:28 07/19/06 (0)
- 45rpm direct to disc - castironandtubes 15:43:38 07/18/06 (3)
- Re: 45rpm direct to disc - Mike Currie 07:39:27 07/19/06 (0)
- Re: 45rpm direct to disc - IBSmiester 16:40:44 07/18/06 (1)
- Charlie Byrd is great, Crystal Clear has other 45rpm direct to disc's as does JVC Japan and a few others. - Teresa 21:42:14 07/18/06 (0)
- Re: This mo's Stereopile, Fremer on vinyl's drawbacks - beto 12:46:18 07/18/06 (5)
- Question? - Teresa 15:29:28 07/18/06 (2)
- Re: Question? - beto 17:42:24 07/18/06 (1)
- Yes I know about the Everest releases and do avoid them. I get the audiophile reissues instead. - Teresa 21:55:55 07/18/06 (0)
- Re: This mo's Stereopile, Fremer on vinyl's drawbacks - Tightwad 12:54:29 07/18/06 (0)
- Re: This mo's Stereopile, Fremer on vinyl's drawbacks - J.D. 12:51:25 07/18/06 (0)
- Re: This mo's Stereopile, Fremer on vinyl's drawbacks - srdavis2000 12:01:32 07/18/06 (28)
- Re: This mo's Stereopile, Fremer on vinyl's drawbacks - Tightwad 12:19:09 07/18/06 (2)
- A dead giveaway..... - vinyl-addict 12:07:04 07/18/06 (24)
- No, it means that the manufacturer gave him a smoking deal on it ... - Jack Seaton 12:16:26 07/18/06 (23)
- okay then, time for you to reveal the manufacturer cost of the Caliburn - J.D. 12:46:32 07/18/06 (16)
- " how you can know about Mikey's self-perceptions" - powermatic 18:50:27 07/18/06 (0)
- Okay, since you asked ... - Jack Seaton 18:18:50 07/18/06 (14)
- OT, but e-mail me anytime about F1 or MotoGP! /nt/ - powermatic 21:34:20 07/18/06 (1)
- Will do. Or feel free to e-mail me in case I forget, okay? nt - Jack Seaton 21:35:28 07/18/06 (0)
- lotsa name-dropping there jack... Every reply is a guess, a bluff, or both. Got it. ..... nt - J.D. 18:24:00 07/18/06 (11)
- Let's not make this ugly, J.D. - Jack Seaton 20:32:08 07/18/06 (5)
- Re: Let's not make this ugly, J.D. - George Mann 16:12:50 07/19/06 (2)
- My, my. Please elaborate and give me examples. - Jack Seaton 17:03:28 07/19/06 (1)
- Re: My, my. Please elaborate and give me examples. - George Mann 12:47:56 07/20/06 (0)
- " Hint: These men have money and spend it ... a lot of it on audio " .... - J.D. 00:28:33 07/19/06 (1)
- "I say let the reader decide." It seems apparent that a few have ... be well. :) nt - Jack Seaton 06:24:08 07/19/06 (0)
- JD, I don't think that response to Jacks Post - Fred J 18:52:33 07/18/06 (4)
- Thanks, Fred. :) nt - Jack Seaton 21:33:08 07/18/06 (0)
- gotta love his "authoritative" tone, but case not proven in any instance ... nt - J.D. 19:05:01 07/18/06 (2)
- there is a lot of us around here who have issues with AUTHORITY - OMalley 19:22:30 07/18/06 (1)
- Re: there is a lot of us around here who have issues with AUTHORITY - Jack Seaton 21:34:27 07/18/06 (0)
- How do you know he bought it at or near cost? - vinyl-addict 12:26:53 07/18/06 (5)
- Re: How do you know he bought it at or near cost? - Fred J 12:43:15 07/18/06 (4)
- Thank you, Fred, for being the voice of reason in my absense. - Jack Seaton 13:45:03 07/18/06 (0)
- Re: How do you know he bought it at or near cost? - old6eyes 13:39:25 07/18/06 (2)
- Re: How do you know he bought it at or near cost? - beto 18:18:12 07/18/06 (0)
- Re: How do you know he bought it at or near cost? - Fred J 15:04:53 07/18/06 (0)
- I just read that last night! - Muzikmike 11:28:38 07/18/06 (0)
- Re: This mo's Stereopile, Fremer on vinyl's drawbacks - Wendell Narrod 11:23:02 07/18/06 (11)
- The article ends with - Muzikmike 11:35:06 07/18/06 (0)
- Re: This mo's Stereopile, Fremer on vinyl's drawbacks - Biff 11:33:35 07/18/06 (0)
- My conclusions are my own. (nt) - Tightwad 11:33:32 07/18/06 (8)
- But... - Bjerager 12:12:56 07/18/06 (7)
- Re: But... - Tightwad 12:16:17 07/18/06 (6)
- Re: But... - Bjerager 13:13:53 07/18/06 (5)
- Re: But... - Tightwad 13:28:24 07/18/06 (4)
- But newbee's come to Vinyl because they are UNHAPPY with the sound of CDs - Teresa 22:09:49 07/18/06 (0)
- "the lie that 'vinyl crushes digital'" - castironandtubes 15:14:58 07/18/06 (2)
- Re: "the lie that 'vinyl crushes digital'" - Tightwad 15:25:24 07/18/06 (1)
- Stating opinion as fact is not what I would call "conservative" nt. - castironandtubes 15:40:13 07/18/06 (0)
- Uh, what "bulls*#t" is that? /nt\ - HenryH 11:16:28 07/18/06 (2)
- Re: Uh, what "bulls*#t" is that? /nt\ - Vinylized 13:35:50 07/18/06 (0)
- You asked... - 4yanx 11:32:23 07/18/06 (0)
Follow Ups
- Even Fremer Touts Vinyl's Superiority to CDs... - AnalogJ 13:46:17 07/18/06 (1)
- Re: Even Fremer Touts Vinyl's Superiority to CDs... - cjfrbw 15:08:53 07/18/06 (0)
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