In Reply to: 12" Shiva EBS Vented vs. 15" Tempest Adire Alignment Vented posted by chickago on December 23, 2003 at 09:34:37:
I'm not sure if you're interested in this degree of "bass tuning", information, but I'll provide it anyway:I've used both the original Shiva and Tempest drivers in DIY subwoofers.
My current DIY subwoofer uses one Tempest driver.
In my listening room, the bass frequency response from both the Shiva and Tempest drivers measured at my listening position is almost the same -- room acoustics affect the bass more than the sub driver and enclosure design chosen.
Of course a 15" Tempest driver has about 70% more displacement than a 12" Shiva driver, so the larger diameter driver has a significant advantage at high volumes (a 15" driver doesn't cost 70% more than the 12" driver but does require a larger enclosure).
In most home listening rooms the bass frequency response at the listening position will be +/-10 dB or worse from 25 to 100Hz.
That's not "tight" bass by my definition.
There is no subwoofer driver in the world at any price that will offset the effects of room acoustics on bass frequency response.
A dipole subwoofer enclosure (open back) will be less affected by room acoustics than ordinary subwoofer designs ("monopole") but many listeners find dipole subwoofers do not provide enough impact at the lowest frequencies.
To obtain a tight bass frequency response in most room, the tools used are bass traps and/or a dedicated subwoofer parametric equalizer.
You can find out more about these tools at the Asylum's Room Acoustics forum.
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- "Tight" bass requires bass traps and/or parametric bass EQ in most home listening rooms - Richard BassNut Greene 10:12:33 12/23/03 (51)
- Re: "Tight" bass requires bass traps and/or parametric bass EQ in most home listening rooms - George Hoenninger 17:44:18 12/23/03 (1)
- Behringer digital stereo 12 band stereo parametric equalizer = only $120 believe it or noto - Richard BassNut Greene 17:50:21 12/23/03 (0)
- As soon as you start.... - Sean 13:57:41 12/23/03 (47)
- Re: SPL's and extension and vents - Bruce from DC 09:04:26 12/24/03 (1)
- Re: SPL's and extension and vents - Sean 19:36:46 12/24/03 (0)
- Re: As soon as you start.... - Peter 16:42:53 12/23/03 (0)
- Re: "Tight" bass requires bass traps and/or parametric bass EQ in most home listening rooms - chickago 15:26:48 12/23/03 (3)
- Re: "Tight" bass requires bass traps and/or parametric bass EQ in most home listening rooms - Sean 17:27:47 12/23/03 (2)
- Re: "Tight" bass requires bass traps and/or parametric bass EQ in most home listening rooms - chickago 18:13:38 12/23/03 (1)
- Re: "Tight" bass requires bass traps and/or parametric bass EQ in most home listening rooms - greg in OKLA 04:18:51 12/26/03 (0)
- "using vents, tight / accurate bass goes out the window" = BALONEY - Richard BassNut Greene 15:13:23 12/23/03 (39)
- Re: "using vents, tight / accurate bass goes out the window" = BALONEY - Sean 17:05:31 12/23/03 (38)
- PS... That was a good link - Sean 00:34:19 12/24/03 (11)
- Re: PS... That was a good link - Dan Wiggins 12:55:09 12/27/03 (10)
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- For the 1200 time - Edp 22:23:03 12/27/03 (1)
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- Re: "Tight" bass requires bass traps and/or parametric bass EQ in most home listening rooms - chickago 19:49:01 12/23/03 (25)
- Re: "Tight" bass requires bass traps and/or parametric bass EQ in most home listening rooms - Sean 19:51:36 12/23/03 (24)
- Re: "Tight" bass requires bass traps and/or parametric bass EQ in most home listening rooms - chickago 05:02:54 12/24/03 (3)
- Re: "Tight" bass requires bass traps and/or parametric bass EQ in most home listening rooms - Sean 08:41:34 12/24/03 (2)
- Re: "Tight" bass requires bass traps and/or parametric bass EQ in most home listening rooms - chickago 10:14:25 12/24/03 (1)
- Re: "Tight" bass requires bass traps and/or parametric bass EQ in most home listening rooms - Sean 19:09:57 12/24/03 (0)
- Merlin VSMs and "unaccurate, vented bass" - jmimac351 23:11:14 12/23/03 (19)
- Re: Merlin VSMs and "unaccurate, vented bass" - Sean 23:26:21 12/23/03 (18)
- Re: "Tight" bass requires bass traps and/or parametric bass EQ in most home listening rooms - chickago 05:06:21 12/24/03 (1)
- Re: "Tight" bass requires bass traps and/or parametric bass EQ in most home listening rooms - Sean 08:44:43 12/24/03 (0)
- Sean, explain to me how the Merlin BAM module works - jmimac351 23:39:00 12/23/03 (15)
- Re: Sean, explain to me how the Merlin BAM module works - Sean 23:52:37 12/23/03 (14)
- Re: Sean, explain to me how the Merlin BAM module works - Bobby Palkovic 08:48:43 12/24/03 (4)
- Re: Sean, explain to me how the Merlin BAM module works - Sean 19:31:03 12/24/03 (3)
- Re: Sean, explain to me how the Merlin BAM module works - Bobby Palkovic 08:25:09 12/26/03 (1)
- Re: Sean, explain to me how the Merlin BAM module works - Sean 10:55:02 12/26/03 (0)
- Thanks Sean - SteveB 04:02:59 12/26/03 (0)
- Re: Sean, explain to me how the Merlin BAM module works - jmimac351 00:39:01 12/24/03 (8)
- Re: Sean, explain to me how the Merlin BAM module works - Lou S 21:07:06 12/24/03 (6)
- Re: Sean, explain to me how the Merlin BAM module works - jmimac351 23:24:38 12/25/03 (5)
- Re: Sean, explain to me how the Merlin BAM module works - Lou S 23:38:06 12/25/03 (4)
- Re: Sean, explain to me how the Merlin BAM module works - jmimac351 00:24:29 12/26/03 (3)
- Re: Sean, explain to me how the Merlin BAM module works - Lou S 00:33:31 12/26/03 (2)
- Re: Sean, explain to me how the Merlin BAM module works - jmimac351 01:26:12 12/26/03 (1)
- Re: Sean, explain to me how the Merlin BAM module works - Lou S 07:11:14 12/26/03 (0)
- Re: Sean, explain to me how the Merlin BAM module works - Sean 01:01:38 12/24/03 (0)
- Re: "Tight" bass requires bass traps and/or parametric bass EQ in most home listening rooms - chickago 10:53:13 12/23/03 (0)