It was asked "What ever happened to Sonny Rollins" after first (I believe) sabatical; the answer given "A Train ran over him". Anyone familiar with these remarks? Comments?Like any hep cat and every non-philistine, muscially liberal-open minded youth, I had paid my radical/expiremental dues and listened attentively thought admittedly rather joylessly to most of the approved prophets of the new art, from Ornette Coleman, Do Cherry, Pharoah Sanders, to the alleged historic inevitability of Schoenberg/Berg/Webern, uncle Milt Babbitt, Stockhausen, Vermuellen, etc., etc. I had membership in the club of the musically aware, musically advanced, and artistically cool.
This dues paying included dutiful attentiveness to Coltrane, that sax giant. I bought and listned to most of the ABC Impulse releases, starting with "A Love Supreme".
Now, with the Confidence Supreme that comes with age, experience, and a whole lot more knowledge, I can rely on my instincts and remain true to my musical soul, which says I HATE COLTRANE.
I'm not looking to make a statement, or to discomfort or disparage those who find genious in Train's work. What I hope to provoke is discussion about an artist who still baffles me. It baffles me that I can't stand his cold, hard tone. His style, far from sounding like
sheets of sound, sound like desolate wind.Train's harmonic sense is always discussed. His appartment was filled with theory and harmony treatises scattered all about the floor. Yet, I think he got little from them, other than licence to range in an undisciplined, desultory manner, to which he added those annoying bleets, squeeks, and screaches. Far from organizing a new harmonic principle, he strikes me as having indulged in nothing more than free-blowing free-for-alls, with a few cadencial points thrown in
to provide an illusory sense of structure.Am I missing the point?
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Topic - John Coltrane - Neward T 11:23:13 02/14/01 (96)
- One strange thing is. . . - Matthew G. 16:19:15 02/15/01 (7)
- Bebop?????????????!!!!!!!!! - Neward T 11:50:25 02/16/01 (1)
- Re: One strange thing is. . . - steve 08:46:10 02/16/01 (3)
- Assuming the truth of your statement - Bruce from DC 18:10:01 02/16/01 (0)
- Re: One strange thing is. . . - Lee 12:45:29 02/16/01 (0)
- Well Said - Neward T 11:45:06 02/16/01 (0)
- Coltrane killed jazz as popular music - Rod M 00:19:12 02/15/01 (47)
- Re: I disagree that Coltrane killed Jazz... - John-from Seattle 13:49:36 02/16/01 (2)
- Bird? - Rod M 21:11:21 02/16/01 (0)
- Re: Who killed jazz? - Jay 14:02:09 02/15/01 (0)
- You may be right - Mike K 11:17:18 02/15/01 (40)
- Jazz As Art And Entertainment - Neward T 12:28:13 02/16/01 (0)
- Re: You may be right - erik 09:26:47 02/16/01 (26)
- A Perfect Description Of Rock - Neward T 12:37:08 02/16/01 (23)
- Re: A Perfect Description Of Rock - eric 17:34:13 02/17/01 (0)
- Trash - Neward T 16:45:18 02/16/01 (20)
- Re: 'from Amadeus'... - gnat 08:09:56 02/19/01 (1)
- Hendrix - Paul D 18:02:57 02/16/01 (16)
- Rock - Product Of An Illiterate Culture - Neward T 19:51:53 02/17/01 (15)
- Dat Monic Thing - Neward T 15:05:48 02/19/01 (6)
- It seems as though you are analysing music you haven't listened too. - Paul D 17:07:29 02/19/01 (0)
- I must demur. Hendrix is so good. . . - Matthew G. 15:36:53 02/19/01 (4)
- Beethoven - Neward T 16:21:08 02/19/01 (3)
- You may be right, but. . . - Matthew G. 18:20:18 02/19/01 (2)
- More Beethoven - Neward T 18:28:41 02/19/01 (1)
- Good point - Matthew G. 21:40:45 02/19/01 (0)
- Would you kindly offer an analysis of Hendrix's music? - Paul D 12:46:17 02/19/01 (0)
- Be Careful - Neward T 10:58:52 02/19/01 (1)
- Re: Rock - Jay 05:48:58 02/18/01 (2)
- Beatles Severely Underestimated - Neward T 10:23:39 02/19/01 (1)
- I agree. nt - John PA 23:58:26 02/19/01 (0)
- Where did I say or imply ... - Mike K 10:56:26 02/16/01 (1)
- Re: Where did I say or imply ... - erik 17:26:12 02/17/01 (0)
- Bebop?????!!!!! You're Nuts - Neward T 18:17:36 02/15/01 (1)
- Glen Miller played be-bop? I bet that was news to him. <nt> - Bruce from DC 15:40:51 02/15/01 (1)
- Alex, you've obviously mistaken Bebop for Swing / "disco-jazz"! [nt] - Jay 14:53:12 02/15/01 (5)
- Alex, bebop is NOT "disco-jazz"! If you still don't get it, please read... - Jay 18:15:38 02/15/01 (2)
- Re: You may be right - Kurt Strain 12:16:28 02/15/01 (0)
- Days of fine wine, good cheese and great jazz - rameish 04:36:12 02/15/01 (0)
- Re: John Coltrane - Muzikmike 22:31:44 02/14/01 (0)
- You Have to Understand the Man to Understand His Music - GEO 22:27:43 02/14/01 (30)
- Listen to GEO, he know. - Albert B. Broman 11:32:16 02/16/01 (2)
- Dinah Is Tops - Neward T 12:41:39 02/16/01 (1)
- Re: Dinah Is Tops - GEO 13:04:28 02/16/01 (0)
- Re: You Have to Understand the Man to Understand His Music - erik 23:36:14 02/14/01 (0)
- I agree, KOB is not the best into to Trane - mrt 23:16:38 02/14/01 (0)
- Likewise I seem not to get Coltrane...... - Minh tran 22:58:59 02/14/01 (24)
- Re: Likewise I seem not to get Coltrane...... - Matthew G. 17:22:54 02/15/01 (18)
- 19th Chord????? - Neward T 12:51:06 02/16/01 (4)
- Re: 19th Chord????? - Matthew G. 15:15:16 02/16/01 (3)
- Pleasure To Make Your Aquaintance - Neward T 17:09:05 02/16/01 (1)
- Re: Pleasure To Make Your Aquaintance - Matthew G. 20:19:24 02/16/01 (0)
- Re: Likewise I seem not to get Coltrane...... - Minh Tran 17:48:03 02/15/01 (12)
- You don't know enough to know what you don't know (nt) - GEO 21:35:31 02/15/01 (11)
- Sorry there prostar...... - Minh Tran 23:24:57 02/15/01 (10)
- Re: Sorry there prostar...... - Minh Tran 00:30:48 02/16/01 (8)
- You are "parroting" your Music Instructor - GEO 09:13:19 02/16/01 (6)
- Re: You are "parroting" your Music Instructor - Minh Tran 09:37:40 02/16/01 (5)
- I played bass for 8 years and Alto for 3 years - GEO 10:49:46 02/16/01 (4)
- Re: I played bass for 8 years and Alto for 3 years - Minh Tran 12:40:06 02/16/01 (3)
- Re: I played bass for 8 years and Alto for 3 years - GEO 13:00:43 02/16/01 (2)
- Re: I played bass for 8 years and Alto for 3 years - Minh Tran 14:16:23 02/16/01 (1)
- Re: I played bass for 8 years and Alto for 3 years - GEO 14:57:13 02/16/01 (0)
- Re: Likewise I seem not to get Coltrane...... - GEO 23:16:53 02/14/01 (3)
- Invention for inventions sake........ - Minh Tran 01:49:39 02/15/01 (2)
- Re: Invention for inventions sake........ - GEO 04:52:26 02/15/01 (1)
- Re: Invention for inventions sake........ - Matthew G. 17:15:53 02/15/01 (0)
- Re: John Coltrane - mrt 17:10:13 02/14/01 (4)
- Marsalis - mrt 17:14:17 02/14/01 (3)
- Re: Marsalis - Tom Pain 15:12:08 02/15/01 (1)
- You probably hate Jackson Pollack too! - Allan Songer 15:03:08 02/14/01 (6)
- Pollack 's merit should be challenged, questioned - Jonathan Kranz 10:40:49 02/15/01 (1)
- Originality - Neward T 12:47:30 02/16/01 (0)
- Re: You probably hate Jackson Pollack too! - Neward T 16:25:42 02/14/01 (3)
- Re: You probably hate Jackson Pollack too! - Allan Songer 16:55:05 02/14/01 (2)
- Branford - Neward T 18:02:50 02/14/01 (1)
- Re: Branford - Mike M. 09:04:01 02/15/01 (0)
- Hey Guys, these are very thoughtful responses, that's very cool .... - BobY 14:16:22 02/14/01 (0)
- Re: John Coltrane - Mike K 14:16:06 02/14/01 (6)
- Still Don't Get It - GEO 22:33:57 02/14/01 (5)
- Re: Still Don't Get It - Mike K 11:13:15 02/15/01 (4)
- Re: Hey Mike K.... - Mike M. 10:49:30 02/16/01 (3)
- Funny thing.... - Bob C 13:44:55 02/16/01 (1)
- Re: Funny thing.... - Mike M. 19:20:22 02/16/01 (0)
- Re: John Coltrane - Lee 12:59:57 02/14/01 (2)
- Which John Coltrane? - Jonathan Kranz 12:47:31 02/14/01 (3)
- Re: Which John Coltrane? - Neward T 15:32:59 02/14/01 (1)
- About Sonny? - Jonathan Kranz 10:27:08 02/15/01 (0)
- Larkin "All What Jazz" - dvb 13:38:07 02/14/01 (0)
- Re: John Coltrane - Matt 12:26:53 02/14/01 (1)
- Thanks - Excellent Discussion (nt) - Neward T 15:34:44 02/14/01 (0)
- A matter of taste - dvb 11:56:35 02/14/01 (2)
- French Love Sup - Neward T 15:36:25 02/14/01 (1)
- The french date of A Love Supreme... - GEO 17:14:46 02/14/01 (0)