In Reply to: RE: Menuhin on Karajan - the truth! posted by astralnavigator on October 17, 2009 at 09:12:27:
I was trying to find the quote on Google of an interview that I saw on film, and I can't remember if it was on the Karajan documentary or on "The Great Violinists" or "The Great Conductors". I don't think that it was on the Karajan documentary, because my memory (which keeps getting worse every year) is that Menuhin was far from complimentary. He may have said that Karajan was a great conductor, but he clearly thought that his interpretations, though accomplished, were lifeless. He went on to talk about the organic flow of music, saying that it was a living thing, as opposed to the "perfect" performances that vK conmducted.
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Follow Ups Full ThreadTopic - What is it with people's impressions of Karajan - Frihed89 21:43:05 10/15/09 (81)
- 1970s Karajan Is Par Excellence - Audiophile10000 08:33:52 10/20/09 (0)
- Karajan is not alone in being a contentious artist but one who could produce great music - John C. - Aussie 20:30:11 10/17/09 (0)
- Thanks for the thread. - Paul_A 20:07:47 10/17/09 (2)
- RE: Thanks for the thread. - Chris from Lafayette 23:22:50 10/17/09 (1)
- Oh Hell, I'd forgotten about them. - Paul_A 04:33:15 10/18/09 (0)
- Good in Classical period choral works. Also Beethoven, Strauss, Bruckner, etc - billeames 17:04:55 10/17/09 (0)
- Why is Karajan so vilified as a Nazi when many others, far more deserving of opprobrium, get a free pass? - bigi 12:25:54 10/17/09 (15)
- RE: Why is Karajan so vilified as a Nazi when many others, far more deserving of opprobrium, get a free pass? - Brian Cheney 13:38:51 10/17/09 (14)
- I think you prove my point - bigi 04:18:36 10/18/09 (11)
- You make excellent points! - astralnavigator 06:35:02 10/18/09 (10)
- RE: You make excellent points! - Brian Cheney 10:14:39 10/18/09 (9)
- I can readily understand why Ormandy snubbed Karajan after the war - bigi 13:07:34 10/18/09 (8)
- RE: I can readily understand why Ormandy snubbed Karajan after the war - Brian Cheney 13:38:09 10/18/09 (7)
- We've kicked this one around enough, don't you think? May I... - bigi 01:28:17 10/19/09 (6)
- RE: We've kicked this one around enough, don't you think? May I... - Brian Cheney 10:18:52 10/19/09 (5)
- LOL! Of course, in a previous era... - bigi 01:52:30 10/20/09 (4)
- RE: LOL! Of course, in a previous era... - Brian Cheney 14:33:23 10/20/09 (3)
- Great stuff--thanks! (nt) - bigi 00:25:38 10/21/09 (0)
- Wow - Your brush with greaetness! :-) [nt] - Chris from Lafayette 14:37:33 10/20/09 (1)
- More like stomped by greatness! (nt) - Brian Cheney 15:10:51 10/20/09 (0)
- RE: Why is Karajan so vilified as a Nazi when many others, far more deserving of opprobrium, get a free pass? - astralnavigator 14:41:17 10/17/09 (1)
- RE: Why is Karajan so vilified as a Nazi when many others, far more deserving of opprobrium, get a free pass? - Brian Cheney 15:13:50 10/17/09 (0)
- Getting back to the music. . . - Chris from Lafayette 10:57:26 10/17/09 (2)
- RE: Getting back to the music. . . - astralnavigator 11:42:06 10/17/09 (1)
- Yup - I've heard that late VPO Bruckner 8th - Excellent [nt] - Chris from Lafayette 11:51:29 10/17/09 (0)
- RE: What is it with people's impressions of Karajan - Tadlo 08:42:11 10/17/09 (0)
- Menuhin on Karajan. - Paul_A 14:50:00 10/16/09 (2)
- RE: Menuhin on Karajan - the truth! - astralnavigator 09:12:27 10/17/09 (1)
- RE: Menuhin on Karajan - the truth! - Paul_A 09:57:36 10/17/09 (0)
- People's impressions are often based on the non-musical... - M. Lucky 11:25:34 10/16/09 (17)
- De-bunking the myths... - astralnavigator 12:38:43 10/16/09 (15)
- De-bunking the de-bunk: HvK's Nazi past - M. Lucky 14:11:07 10/16/09 (14)
- Unfortunately, the facts get in the way again... - astralnavigator 11:23:28 10/17/09 (12)
- Your facts seem to be at variance... - M. Lucky 13:50:53 10/17/09 (6)
- Not at all... - astralnavigator 14:11:03 10/17/09 (5)
- I only know what I read in the papers... - M. Lucky 09:22:43 10/19/09 (4)
- RE: I only know what I read in the papers... - astralnavigator 09:37:19 10/19/09 (3)
- Yes, the anti-nazi bias in the American press... - M. Lucky 14:58:25 10/19/09 (2)
- RE: Yes, the anti-nazi bias in the American press... - astralnavigator 15:52:16 10/19/09 (1)
- RE: Yes, the anti-nazi bias in the American press... - M. Lucky 16:51:44 10/19/09 (0)
- RE: Unfortunately, the facts get in the way again... - Brian Cheney 12:23:12 10/17/09 (4)
- RE: Unfortunately, the facts get in the way again... - astralnavigator 14:16:47 10/17/09 (3)
- RE: Unfortunately, the facts get in the way again... - Brian Cheney 15:25:21 10/17/09 (2)
- RE: Unfortunately, the facts get in the way again... - astralnavigator 10:32:17 10/18/09 (1)
- RE: Unfortunately, the facts get in the way again... - Brian Cheney 10:39:23 10/18/09 (0)
- RE: De-bunking the de-bunk: HvK's Nazi past - Brian Cheney 14:29:27 10/16/09 (0)
- DG... "soft?" I always found them shrill as did many reviewers in the 70-80s. nt - tinear 12:14:25 10/16/09 (0)
- RE: What is it with people's impressions of Karajan - Brian Cheney 10:39:07 10/16/09 (26)
- Thanks to you and everyone.... Nt - Frihed89 17:58:21 10/16/09 (0)
- RE: What is it with people's impressions of Karajan - astralnavigator 11:02:58 10/16/09 (24)
- Joined the Nazi party "by default"--twice! - M. Lucky 16:49:47 10/16/09 (0)
- RE: What is it with people's impressions of Karajan - Brian Cheney 13:54:49 10/16/09 (19)
- RE: What is it with people's impressions of Karajan - Logan 20:21:00 10/16/09 (16)
- RE: What is it with people's impressions of Karajan - Brian Cheney 20:57:48 10/16/09 (15)
- RE: What is it with people's impressions of Karajan - Logan 17:22:39 10/17/09 (14)
- RE: What is it with people's impressions of Karajan - Brian Cheney 17:50:47 10/17/09 (13)
- RE: What is it with people's impressions of Karajan - Logan 16:51:05 10/18/09 (12)
- RE: What is it with people's impressions of Karajan - Brian Cheney 17:36:40 10/18/09 (11)
- Brian -- not only not belligerent but . . . - goldenthal 15:02:25 10/20/09 (1)
- RE: Brian -- not only not belligerent but . . . - Brian Cheney 15:13:57 10/20/09 (0)
- Brian -- not only not belligerent but . . . - goldenthal 14:06:01 10/20/09 (0)
- RE: What is it with people's impressions of Karajan - Logan 19:14:15 10/19/09 (1)
- RE: What is it with people's impressions of Karajan - Brian Cheney 20:37:02 10/19/09 (0)
- RE: What is it with people's impressions of Karajan - astralnavigator 17:59:22 10/18/09 (5)
- RE: What is it with people's impressions of Karajan - Brian Cheney 18:20:26 10/18/09 (4)
- I'm not so sure - Chris from Lafayette 21:15:34 10/18/09 (3)
- RE: I'm not so sure - Brian Cheney 10:26:41 10/19/09 (2)
- RE: I'm not so sure - goldenthal 15:02:10 10/20/09 (0)
- RE: I'm not so sure - goldenthal 14:15:55 10/20/09 (0)
- RE: What is it with people's impressions of Karajan - astralnavigator 18:55:39 10/16/09 (1)
- RE: What is it with people's impressions of Karajan - Brian Cheney 20:05:08 10/16/09 (0)
- RE: What is it with people's impressions of Karajan - Chris from Lafayette 12:32:48 10/16/09 (2)
- RE: What is it with people's impressions of Karajan - astralnavigator 12:46:14 10/16/09 (1)
- I agree about the paranoia - Chris from Lafayette 13:01:54 10/16/09 (0)
- My Dad loved him... - docw 09:47:36 10/16/09 (0)
- OK here are some negatives... - John N 08:58:24 10/16/09 (1)
- RE: OK here are some negatives... - goldenthal 14:46:56 10/20/09 (0)
- RE: What is it with people's impressions of Karajan - astralnavigator 05:26:36 10/16/09 (0)
- RE: What is it with people's impressions of Karajan - jult52 05:03:56 10/16/09 (0)
- Karajan was often great, and also often uninspiring and lifeless - bigi 01:10:29 10/16/09 (1)
- Agreed. nt - classfolkphile 07:38:58 10/16/09 (0)
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- RE: Menuhin on Karajan - the truth! - Paul_A 09:57:36 10/17/09 (0)