I think i have a limited grasp on what could cause sonic differnces in analog cables, but the issues with digital cables just totaly elude me. From what i know if the clock is recovered and the data is sampled on the recovered clock and reclocked at the other end of the jitter buffer the cables should have zero effect, but experience shows otherwise. I do not buy the error issues either, over a short distance it is easy to maintain 10-e9 or better BER (that is one error about 20 minutes or so). So what gives ?
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Topic - How do you explain the sonic differences in digital cables? - Penguin 08:02:20 12/08/02 (87)
- Well the verdict is in.... - Monstrous Mike 15:05:05 12/11/02 (1)
- Re: Well the verdict is in.... - NEAR SOTA 14:37:48 12/12/02 (0)
- Re: How do you explain the sonic differences in digital cables? - macaque 09:54:04 12/11/02 (0)
- Re: How do you explain the sonic differences in digital cables? - Jon Risch 18:24:52 12/10/02 (2)
- Jon, I have read the Jitter article on you website - Penguin 19:36:26 12/10/02 (1)
- Penguin, it is more involved than it seems - Jon Risch 22:07:01 12/17/02 (0)
- It's all jitter - frequency modulation - audioengr 13:16:38 12/10/02 (0)
- Has any of you guys done the following? - Penguin 19:44:37 12/09/02 (1)
- Eye patterns dont tell everything - audioengr 13:39:51 12/10/02 (0)
- Re: How do you explain the sonic differences in digital cables? - eico1 09:02:55 12/09/02 (34)
- Re: How do you explain the sonic differences in digital cables? - Dan Banquer 05:23:54 12/10/02 (32)
- Not all 3 - audioengr 13:19:17 12/10/02 (30)
- Re: Not all 3 - Todd Krieger 09:40:55 12/11/02 (2)
- it does not have to be all 3 - audioengr 20:08:15 12/11/02 (0)
- This is only the way that SP/DIF did it.(NT) - audioengr 20:00:34 12/11/02 (0)
- Re: Not all 3 - john curl 18:03:14 12/10/02 (0)
- I would say all three - John Escallier 14:45:29 12/10/02 (25)
- nope, trust me - audioengr 19:43:05 12/10/02 (22)
- eerr.... WHAT frequency, dudes and dudettes? - jj 01:27:21 12/13/02 (5)
- 15 nsec rise-times, ~333nsec period. - audioengr 16:47:18 12/14/02 (0)
- Re: eerr.... WHAT frequency, dudes and dudettes? - john curl 10:04:56 12/13/02 (3)
- Happy Holidays - John Escallier 11:31:38 12/13/02 (2)
- Sure, I've done it. - audioengr 16:50:26 12/14/02 (0)
- Re: Happy Holidays - john curl 11:28:35 12/14/02 (0)
- Re: nope, trust me - John Escallier 11:41:45 12/11/02 (5)
- Re: nope, trust me - audioengr 19:59:13 12/11/02 (0)
- Re: nope, trust me - Tom N. 12:30:57 12/11/02 (3)
- diodes - audioengr 20:05:41 12/11/02 (0)
- Re: nope, trust me - Dan Banquer 17:49:52 12/11/02 (0)
- Re: nope, trust me - John Escallier 12:40:08 12/11/02 (0)
- Re: nope, trust me - Dan Banquer 05:24:17 12/11/02 (9)
- huh? - audioengr 10:17:59 12/11/02 (8)
- Re: huh? - Dan Banquer 12:33:16 12/11/02 (7)
- Re: huh? - Monstrous Mike 20:08:34 12/11/02 (5)
- Transmission-line theory - audioengr 19:35:42 12/12/02 (0)
- Re: huh? - Dan Banquer 05:34:11 12/12/02 (3)
- 44.1 kHz - audioengr 19:37:33 12/12/02 (2)
- Re: 44.1 kHz - Monstrous Mike 11:13:32 12/13/02 (1)
- That is the data rate for one channel. - Penguin 13:06:22 12/14/02 (0)
- SP/DIF - audioengr 19:49:45 12/11/02 (0)
- Re: I would say all three - Dan Banquer 17:48:36 12/10/02 (1)
- If you meant to say - John Escallier 12:09:41 12/11/02 (0)
- Re: How do you explain the sonic differences in digital cables? - john curl 10:09:28 12/10/02 (0)
- No argument there :-) - Penguin 19:58:18 12/09/02 (0)
- Re: How do you explain the sonic differences in digital cables? - Norm Strong 22:11:07 12/08/02 (0)
- Re: How do you explain the sonic differences in digital cables? - Todd Krieger 22:03:09 12/08/02 (21)
- You know, i hear ya'.... - Penguin 22:00:04 12/09/02 (6)
- Bit Error Rate Rarely a Problem with Redbook - Todd Krieger 00:13:37 12/10/02 (5)
- How does RFI affect the sound? Does it have to leak into the analog section? (nt) - Penguin 17:20:01 12/10/02 (4)
- In a Way, Yes... - Todd Krieger 19:06:25 12/10/02 (3)
- OK I buy that. So it can be measured somehow :-) - Penguin 19:27:34 12/10/02 (2)
- Re: OK I buy that. So it can be measured somehow :-) - Todd Krieger 20:08:18 12/10/02 (1)
- I am satisfied :-) - Penguin 05:54:59 12/11/02 (0)
- Re: How do you explain the sonic differences in digital cables? - Monstrous Mike 12:01:58 12/09/02 (13)
- Re: How do you explain the sonic differences in digital cables? - Todd Krieger 21:17:10 12/09/02 (6)
- Good... - Monstrous Mike 06:57:44 12/10/02 (5)
- Good?? - Todd Krieger 18:44:55 12/10/02 (4)
- Re: Good?? - John Escallier 15:41:51 12/11/02 (1)
- Re: Good?? - Todd Krieger 18:00:41 12/11/02 (0)
- Thank you. - Leisure7 19:29:09 12/10/02 (1)
- Wait a cotton pickin minute - John Escallier 15:49:01 12/11/02 (0)
- Re: How do you explain the sonic differences in digital cables? - Adi 19:05:02 12/09/02 (5)
- Re: How do you explain the sonic differences in digital cables? - Todd Krieger 21:19:17 12/09/02 (2)
- That was a sarcastic post (nt) - Adi 08:25:23 12/10/02 (1)
- Yeah, Yeah, Yeah... [-; <nt> - Todd Krieger 08:34:53 12/10/02 (0)
- Re: How do you explain the sonic differences in digital cables? - Monstrous Mike 19:38:05 12/09/02 (1)
- Re: How do you explain the sonic differences in digital cables? - Adi 08:30:54 12/10/02 (0)
- What about RFI from the digital link? (nt) - Leisure7 08:16:16 12/08/02 (19)
- RFI from the digital link... - Monstrous Mike 12:08:15 12/09/02 (18)
- Ever hear of the "pin 1 problem", Mike? - jj 20:35:50 12/12/02 (0)
- I agree with Mike - audioengr 13:25:48 12/10/02 (2)
- Re: I agree with Mike - Todd Krieger 19:43:46 12/10/02 (1)
- More likely - audioengr 10:22:17 12/11/02 (0)
- I'm not sure that I buy that, Mike..... - Rod M 17:03:07 12/09/02 (12)
- Re: I'm not sure that I buy that, Mike..... - Monstrous Mike 19:48:07 12/09/02 (11)
- Re: I'm not sure that I buy that, Mike..... - Rod M 20:11:19 12/09/02 (10)
- The specs - audioengr 10:46:48 12/11/02 (3)
- "radiated EMI" = RFI source. - Leisure7 11:48:35 12/11/02 (2)
- All the designers are worried about - audioengr 16:55:26 12/14/02 (1)
- So these regulations - Leisure7 13:25:47 12/15/02 (0)
- Re: I'm not sure that I buy that, Mike..... - john curl 10:14:18 12/10/02 (1)
- Exactly my point! - Penguin 17:17:28 12/10/02 (0)
- Re: I'm not sure that I buy that, Mike..... - Monstrous Mike 07:25:12 12/10/02 (2)
- Re: I'm not sure that I buy that, Mike..... - Rod M 17:37:22 12/10/02 (1)
- Re: I'm not sure that I buy that, Mike..... - eico1 20:39:07 12/13/02 (0)
- Re: I'm not sure that I buy that, Mike..... - Phil Tower 20:55:21 12/09/02 (0)
- Re: RFI from the digital link... - Leisure7 13:39:35 12/09/02 (0)