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Lots of talk on this, some facts!

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Posted on March 28, 2013 at 21:33:36
HW
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 Some clarifications on the thread below:
The new Vanquish will be a 3 phase “V” drive system that is accurate and so quiet I truly doubt there is a belt drive on the planet that can touch it. Remember, we are blowing away a Class A Stereophile table (Classic 3) that measures lower wow and flutter than most other belt drives on the market. We use a “V” shaped electrical system on the rotor so there is never any dead spot while turning, literally a linear motor going round and round. For the engineers the White paper will be forthcoming. The final version will be 33, 45, 78 speed +/- 5%
The only part of the platter that touches the motor is the bearing, nothing else. It ships as one piece and you cannot open it up.
Three will be at the NY Show and will be roughly four times the cost of a Classic 3 and will include the 3D arm
The arm is so good it makes all these new stupidly expensive arms doing the same things they always did with some new material between here and there with multiple connections and interface changes really seem like old school engineering. With the Grado Gold it had a 1 db resonance peak at 11 Hz!!! Actually you have never heard a Grado Gold sound this good, you should hear it with the Atlas and the Strain gauge!!!
It will drop on any Tonearm we have ever made with a possible change of bearing point needed on older models. It will be available in 9, 10 and 12 inch lengths. BTW, anybody notice all the 12” arms out there now, didn’t many say when I made it in 1995 that the 9” was a much better idea!! Apparently they were lying or they are selling you something they really think is less good!!
BTW: Follow up on the amazing 34db separation some reviewer got on his $14,000.00 tonearm. Peter Lederman got 43db at the NY Audio Society meeting at the VPI factory using a Classic 3 table and tonearm with his Hyperion. I rest my case on the handing out of crap!!!!!!!!!!!!! No gimbaled arm in the world can get the accuracy of separation a unipivot can that is fully adjustable for azimuth. If you are worried about zenith changes with a unipivot simply use the ring we make and flatten your records instead of trying to solve a problem that has no reason to exist anymore.
HW

 

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RE: Lots of talk on this, some facts!, posted on March 28, 2013 at 21:51:00
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 Holy Moly....

 

All I have is one question..., posted on March 28, 2013 at 22:02:00
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 You mention 9, 10 and 12 inch armwands will be 3D printed. Will the 10 inch be the old JMW-10 and 10.5 length or the newer 'Classic' length? Or both? That's two questions.

Thanks in advance....

 

I know what you mean! ;-) /nt\, posted on March 28, 2013 at 23:01:05
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RE: All I have is one question..., posted on March 29, 2013 at 04:46:26
HW
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 At first the new longer one, the rest will follow.

 

RE: All I have is one question..., posted on March 29, 2013 at 05:52:40
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 Congratulations on the new table and arm. I am a current VPI user/fan. The only thing that I am sorry to hear about is the "four times the cost of the classic three". This is not a barb, so no flames please. However, I understand that research and development and then production costs at a small company are very expensive. At $25,000, it will be in with some very stiff competition. This should prove interesting. Maybe I could get a used one in 5-10 years.
Tom Collins

 

RE: Lots of talk on this, some facts!, posted on March 29, 2013 at 06:21:15
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 I am a proud owner of your Classic 3 in Rosewood and just love the table. Adding the Classic 3 into my system has created by far the most life like sound I have ever heard from my system. The dynamics of this table is quite startling at times and I am amazed each time I put on a record.

Will the new arm be available in the Classic 3 length where you could simply add this onto the Classic 3 without modifications?

I am curious how much of the improvement in sound is from the tonearm itself versus the new magnetic platter and motor?

Keep up the excellent work. Not only does the Classic 3 sound fantastic but the beauty of the turntable finished in Rosewood is an absolute piece of art.

 

RE: Lots of talk on this, some facts!, posted on March 29, 2013 at 06:44:43
HW
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 You will be able to drop one on. HW

 

RE: Lots of talk on this, some facts!, posted on March 29, 2013 at 07:21:48
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 "The only part of the platter that touches the motor is the bearing, nothing else."

True of nearly any direct-drive turntable ever made and why the often repeated criticism of direct-drive regarding "motor noise" is horse poop. There may be other technical issues with direct-drive, but not motor noise.

 

"will be 33, 45, 78 speed +/- 5%", posted on March 29, 2013 at 07:23:52
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 Two thumbs up! :-) It's always been my opinion that any serious turntable should be capable of 78 RPM playback and offer variable pitch control, or at least be easily modified to do so.

Also nice to see a manufacturer who DOES NOT hide behind the crass "specs don't matter" marketing BS to obfuscate and cover up poor design and subpar performance. One thing that's always impressed me about VPI is the obvious dedication to quality and performance. Clearly, HW is a guy who understands that a turntable's number one priority should be to spin the record at accurate speed and without wow & flutter effect.

Wishing you the best of success with the new turntable!

 

RE: Lots of talk on this, some facts!, posted on March 29, 2013 at 17:52:34
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 > For the engineers the White paper will be forthcoming.

I would love to read a White paper on any of your current or past products. Can you provide a URL.

Thanks,
John Elison

 

RE: Lots of talk on this, some facts!, posted on March 29, 2013 at 19:04:59
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 If I can't afford it, it's meaningless. Were back to SL 1200's
: )

 

RE: All I have is one question..., posted on March 30, 2013 at 01:45:04
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2005 at CES I saw Cobra tonearm from Continuum. Having worked in rapid prototyping industry for 6 years prior to that, I recognized our technology immediately from the fine lines left by the 3D printer process underneath the paint they had applied. This was most likely a Fused Deposition Modelling process using ABS plastic. Approached the designer at CES2010 and gave him my card and asked if he wanted to use any of our rapid prototyping technology and services. He said they had access to Stratasys dual media systems in Australia and were very familiar with using 3D printing. So the Cobra was most likely first commercial arm using additive manufacturing technology.

http://www.stratasys.com

 

RE: Lots of talk on this, some facts!, posted on April 1, 2013 at 22:49:33
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 More money than I will ever have to spend on a tt. But I still just want to hear it. Then, I might be unhappy with my SM. I'd love to hear it.

 

Speed control +/- 5%? , posted on April 2, 2013 at 11:23:08
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 Is this a fact or do you wish to add a decimal point and some zeroes to this value?

 

RE: Speed control +/- 5%? , posted on April 2, 2013 at 11:31:18
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 Why would you question that? It came directly from the manufacturer.

 

RE: Speed control +/- 5%? , posted on April 2, 2013 at 11:46:58
berndt
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 Maybe it's an April fools thing

 

RE: Speed control +/- 5%? , posted on April 2, 2013 at 12:33:06
John Elison
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 You initally responded to my post, but I did not state that fact. However, I'm wondering what you find wrong with having platter speed adjustment variability of 5%. My Technics SL-1200 has quartz locked speed accuracy and stability in addition to platter speed variability of 8%. I guess I'm wondering what you find problematic about HW's platter speed specification.

Some people like to speed up or slow down their platter to enable them to play along with a musical instrument. In other words, they use the variable speed capability to tune the LP to their musical instrument. There are obviously other reasons for wanting speed variability, too. Anyway, I think you might have misinterpreted what HW meant by his 5% specification.

Best regards,
John Elison

 

RE: Speed control +/- 5%? , posted on April 2, 2013 at 12:58:29
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 Forgive me Mr Ellison.
I am unclear about the posting etiquette and it was not my intention to reflect on your post.
I thought the plus or minus five percent on the speed was a typo.

 

RE: Speed control +/- 5%? , posted on April 2, 2013 at 15:02:26
John Elison
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 Well, I think the 5% represents an adjustment range rather than a tolerance. If the turntable couldn't maintain speed accuracy any better than 5%, it would be worthless.

Best regards,
John Elison

 

RE: Lots of talk on this, some facts!, posted on April 2, 2013 at 16:08:43
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 We need pictures!

 

Photo on VPI's facebook page.... NT, posted on April 2, 2013 at 17:06:52
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 xxxxx

 

RE: Photo on VPI's facebook page.... NT, posted on April 2, 2013 at 17:23:00
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 I was under the impression that's a mock-up as the design hasn't been finalized. . .

 

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