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Huh? A turntable mat...really?

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Posted on May 25, 2012 at 06:18:41
Jsawyer09
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Okay, so can someone explain to me how a turntable mat, in any of its iterations and various compounds, can make such a difference in the sonic improvement or presentation of a turntable/record?

With that out of the way, I preface this thread with a revelation of sorts. So, recently I purchased an Auditorium A23 Mat for my Well Tempered Amadeus to see if it would make any difference; or, at least as big a difference as many have claimed for this turntable. I put it on (purposely not adjusting VTA or anything) and listened to a few familiar records, back-to-back, against the stock mat. Suffice it to say, I was immediately and consistently floored...I mean FLOORED by the improvement. I was going to start describing in detail what it was I was hearing last night while it was fresh in my mind, but I came across a thread authored by a gent who was able to articulate it better than myself; and did it so in such a way that it nearly exactly mirrored my own experience.

Please read, as it was what I had found as well (DISCLAIMER: This observation is for the Auditorium Mat/Well Tempered Amadeus combination; it was written by a fellow going by doak on Audio Circle):

[What I heard:

Interestingly these 2 mats sound a lot like they look.

The stock mat sounds very, very good as you WTA owners well know. It does lend an "airiness" to the sound - like the instruments are floating on a pillow of air. Instrument images are a little diffuse and not totally resolved in contrast to the A23. Compared to the A23 it also sounds a bit rounded in its tone. Transients are not as sharply reproduced which is what I feel may cause this "roundness." In all this a quite pleasing sound and makes the stock mat very easy to listen to and a bit forgiving of less than stellar recordings. There is a euphony to the sound of the stock foam mat, though it does not give "the last word" as to all of what is on the record.

The A23 mat is about 1mm thick and as has been previously stated it is constructed of a very dense fabric type material that would be at home as a high quality convertible automobile top. It is flat, smooth and woven looking on one side and lightly textured in a cross-hatch pattern on the other. I would guess that this side is applied in some way to the other and that there are two layers to this mat.

The mat arrived in a too small box (more on this later) which contained only the mat - no instructions, product info etc. So my first job was to decide which way was up, literally! A brief A/B of the two sides told me that textured side up was the way to go. This was confirmed shortly thereafter in via email with the supplier.

The A23 provides a more direct connection of the record to the platter. The first thing I noticed was better transient attack to notes and this improved tracking of transient information may well account for much if not all of the improvements I hear with the A23. Plucked strings of guitar and harp had more of the sharpness of nail on the strings. On other instruments and vocals this was shown as a more true timbre and ultimately a more "real" sound. Images of individual instruments have a solidity that is different than that of the stock mat. There is more dynamic impact with the A23 and I'll even go as far as saying that overall dynamic range is also enhanced. The sound stage expanse is similar to that of the stock mat but the "airiness" is not the same. Still this is a very musical sound. It is not at all dry sounding and I get the sense it is giving more of what is actually on the record.

If I had to use only one word to describe the sound of the A23 mat I would choose VIVID. Recordings have more resolution, definition and apparent dynamics when using the A23 mat. This is why I deem the A23 "better" than the stock mat and for me it is a keeper.]

Like I say, absolutely mirrored what I heard as well.

I remember trying out the Boston Audio Carbon Mat for my Linn LP12 once, and distinctly remember that compared to the stock Linn mat, it was like listening in anamorphic 2.39:1 versus 1.85:1, if that makes any sense. I guess it gave the illusion of hearing more in the recording, but almost compressing it (for lack of a better term) to make it all sound 'wider', if you can imagine that. On many recordings, it was thrilling, but sounded hi-fi, not musically inclined.

Anyway, the Auditorium Mat is just consistently great on everything I'm throwing at it. I'm really having a difficult time believing a 'tweak' of sorts is really improving an already champ of a turntable. How does one explain this?

 

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RE: Huh? A turntable mat...really?, posted on May 25, 2012 at 06:30:12
SgreenP@MSN.com
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you can pick and choose the resonances you prefer.

 

One explanation...., posted on May 25, 2012 at 07:47:17
Lew
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Hyperbole.
Nothing personal. We are all guilty of it. There is a lot of hyperbole surrounding the WTA, to begin with.

 

RE: One explanation...., posted on May 25, 2012 at 08:03:38
Jsawyer09
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Hi Lew.
Nothing personal taken. Believe me, I had thought of that while writing the thread. I am as jaded and skeptical about just about every aspect of this hobby (tweaks and cables among the highest ranking in my rancor) when it comes to manufacturers, dealers and folks like us making wild claims. This is specifically why I had to make the post; I seriously cannot believe a friggin' mat can cause such a pleasing, ultra-precise and just more refined sound all-around. Hyperbole? Maybe. You might be onto something here; but in the past, almost every tweak or cable or whatever really only highlighted subtle differences in my system(s)...it was never night versus day — never. So, while the Auditorium mat isn't necessarily night & day, it is really quite noticeable.

As for WTA becoming (or maybe it's already here) a poster table for hyperbole, don't think I haven't thought of that, either. I'm comfortable with that, though. I mean, at least it isn't in the Linn canons of sonic truth. ;)

 

Did you try both sides of the mat? :) (nt), posted on May 25, 2012 at 08:34:52
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RE: Did you try both sides of the mat? :) (nt), posted on May 25, 2012 at 08:49:59
Jsawyer09
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Hi kuma.
Long time, no hear ;)
I did, indeed. I concur that the textured/cross-patterned side might be the way to go. Now, I say this because I'm fairly convinced it really seemed to noticeably 'blacken' the noise floor. The 'table itself really lends to this quality on its own merit; it's one of its truly great strengths, but the Auditorium Mat just made backgrounds very still. Recording venues and the very space surrounding instruments were quite fleshed out; a little more so than with the stock mat or using the other side. So, comparing both sides with the same album made this quite apparent. It also brought harmonies (voices) forward, where applicable, in a very positive light. I could actually hear very distinct voices and how they differed from one another on material I am familiar with. So when voices are joined together, one can pick out who's doing what. On vocal choral, who knows? I haven't tried this yet. But on a four member band, instead of just hearing them 'smeared' together to hear voices on top of one another to create an 'oooooh', for instance, the textured side of the mat just seemed to transform this to the point where one could actually pinpoint the voices separately. I mean, it was just so cool. Hard to fathom, in fact.

 

Yep, posted on May 25, 2012 at 08:53:07
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I've tried quite a few different ones from different generations. I always come back to my Herbie's mat. It started on an LP12 and now has resided on my LT-30 for a while. It's the cleanest sounding mat I've tried. One had a deeper soundstage but constricted the width, another dulled the sound, the ringmat always sounds bright to me. The price is fair also. Admittedly, budget restraint keeps me from trying the pricey ones. Herbie's works for me on a few levels.



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When I owned a VPI HW19 Mk. I, way back... in'67...well, more like '97, posted on May 25, 2012 at 09:39:13
Muzikmike
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It had a 1" aluminum platter!? I figured it would have to have a mat, and the guy who sold it to me didn't know cow patties from hamburgers.

The Ringmat was just new to the tweak scene, so I got one and was pretty impressed by the sound. It could have been the VTA difference...or the resonance control, or both, but the sound was better than I'd anticipated...beating the bare platter hands down. Bass became more solid and mids clearer.

When I sold it and got a Mark IV, I kept the Ringmat...but only for a short while. The TNT platter sounded its best sans mat, so I gave the mat to a friend with an AR.

I agree that it's hard to "wrap your mind" around the idea that the mat could make (for lack of any other description) so many "different differences."


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RE: Huh? A turntable mat...really?, posted on May 25, 2012 at 09:48:24
doak
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Different mats for different plats.

The A23 sure as heck WORKS on the WTA.
The stock mat is no slouch, but offers a more diffuse and "airy" sound that IMO ultimately results in less resolution.

In my experience the sound/effect of a particular mat CANNOT or can be seldom be transferred from one turntable to another --- apples/oranges.

BTW: Adjusting the VTA/SRA (tail end down in my experience) will get you a LOT more of what the A23 can offer.

Doak

 

If it's made of natural fibre..., posted on May 25, 2012 at 10:31:47
kuma
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you might have to replace it every couple of years as it can expand and contract over time and will change the performance envelope. ( as it does with a Linn feltmat )

 

Anyone remember the DIY shelf liner TT mat some years back?, posted on May 25, 2012 at 12:30:03
artemus
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Yes, it was controversial, mostly because some iterations of it left a residue of the album/platter. But, it worked great on my MMF-7 which I had at the time. I must have gotten the right material because I never had any of the residue problem. I still have the roll of shelf liner but don't need or use it anymore
The bottom line is that the right platter mat makes a big difference. How does it work? I don't know. There are many things in this hobby which work that I don't understand why.
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You paid HOW MUCH for that electrical outlet?!!! Are YOU nuts?

 

RE: Anyone remember the DIY shelf liner TT mat some years back?, posted on May 25, 2012 at 12:49:01
Time_Stands_Still
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I used shelf liner for a platter mat on a DIY turntable. I thoroughly soaked and washed the mat in warm sudsy water using Ivory Snow liquid dish detergent to do this. After a thorough drying I never had residue issues on said mat.

 

RE: Anyone remember the DIY shelf liner TT mat some years back?, posted on May 25, 2012 at 13:37:40
Jsawyer09
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Oh, yeah...the DIY shelf liner mat. I used one on a Thorens for a while. Honestly, I don't remember its contribution at all.

The older Well Tempered mat, the one before this foam thing they include on the newer 'tables, seemed like coated shelf liner. Funny.

Love all of the comments, though. But see what I mean? How on earth can a lowly mat produce such satisfaction, skepticism or consternation for that matter? I just don't get it. Well, maybe SgreenP has a point: You pick your resonance preference. Hmmm...

 

RE: Huh? A turntable mat...really?, posted on May 25, 2012 at 19:32:36
Mcmann57
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I recently swapped the felt mat on my Xerxes X for an Achromat. I was totally amazed at the difference it made. The profit margin on the Achromat must be huge, but the benefit to me makes it worthwhile.

 

New Mat, posted on May 25, 2012 at 19:47:20
Bigby
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I had George Merrill do some work on a Thorens TT. It had a felt mat. When he was testing it, he picked the mat up, looked at it funny and said something like “you have to change this." I bought a new mat and haven’t been happier. The best thing about the new mat is that it doesn't stick to the records when I take them off the TT. The sound is also much better.

 

Hyperbole?, posted on May 26, 2012 at 07:07:04
tketcham
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Hi, Lew,
I'll be a bit less diplomatic than Jsawyer09 and say that you may not have experienced the degreee of improvement (or change as the case may be) when using different mats on certain turntables and so shouldn't be so quick in belittling his post. And I'm certainly not trying to "police" the forum or change your opinion of platter mats. But I've heard some fairly dramatic differences when using various mats on an acrylic platter and especially on metal platters. I've also experienced much more subtle differences (if any) when using mats on a composite platter. It wasn't my imagination. I was systematically experimenting over an extended time period. I'm convinced that platter mats can make a big difference in sound and if I were to describe those changes it would not be hyperbole.

Regards,
Tom

 

Archromat, posted on May 26, 2012 at 08:13:16
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Yes the Archromat floored me too. I bought 2 so I have one on each TT. I have tried several other types and some was interesting but the Archromat came up on top.

Rgds Jan

 

Still using mine, posted on May 26, 2012 at 19:40:06
mark111
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I haven't had any reason to change it.
enjoy,
mark

 

RE: Huh? A turntable mat...really?, posted on January 16, 2013 at 16:05:30
doak
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Even though I dislike it when other people say it: " My Bad"

You DID credit me in the OP. Sorry. (embarrassed smiley here)

I'm going to pull out the old Claritin defense on this one.
I don't take the "non-drowsy" antihistamine unless it's absolutely necessary since it thoroughly scrambles my brain.

Carry On!

 

RE: Huh? A turntable mat...really?, posted on January 16, 2013 at 16:24:38
Bill Way
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The Merrill lead mat has made a big improvement on my ring-a-ding-ding Thorens aluminum platter.

WW
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RE: Huh? A turntable mat...really?, posted on January 16, 2013 at 17:16:59
Jsawyer09
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[Geez,,, ya coulda credited me Mr. Sawyer. ;-)]

I thought I did in the OP...had it not been for your insightful review of the mat, I probably wouldn't have gotten all that curious. ;)

 

RE: Huh? A turntable mat...really?, posted on January 16, 2013 at 17:27:58
doak
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Must say that I did have chuckle when I saw "Occupation: Copywriter" in your profile. Haha.

Okie Doakie

 

RE: Huh? A turntable mat...really?, posted on January 16, 2013 at 17:43:14
Jsawyer09
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Yeah, that was in a former life. Though I do some magazine freelancing on a bi-annual basis, I'm actually more in CIU (so-called Customer Insights; that, and I work quite a bit with corporate legal) and in-store strategy.

 

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