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Review: MSA "Power Purifier Double Plus"

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Posted on February 27, 2014 at 15:47:37
Winston Smith
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Having been in audio for over 40 years, and an unapologetic tweaker for the last 30 of them, I have seen an awful lot of people and products come and go.

Recently I found in an unmarked box in our garage some old “Red Rollers” and “Wood Blocks” from John Bicht’s Versadynamics company. I had to chuckle at just how many such tweaks I have tried over the years. Almost none have stood the test of time. All were band-aids of one type or another, discarded when the ‘illness’ was cured by something else, something new and more well-focused on what the root problem I was trying to cure at the time was really all about.

The one thing I have learned through all this is simple: great engineering, solid and sound, never goes out of style.

That doesn’t mean that things cannot be improved. On the contrary, we have all been fortunate to live in a time where a steady increase in technology and knowledge has taken basically every single idea and approach and made it better. Even Einstein’s great achievements have seen some revision and improvements, as difficult as that may be to believe. Times, and life, are good!

As was said a moment ago, the key in all of this is great engineering. And great engineering requires that the engineer leave his or her ego at the door, and honestly assess what they have created. This is, IMHO, where much, if not most of engineering fails. So, too, with basically every aspect of creative endeavor. When a person falls in love with what they have done, when their objectivity and self-critical reflection ceases to function, the quality of their work inevitably falters.

The reason I mention this is because I have yet to encounter any designer as self-critical and science-based as Bob Pragnell at Mad Scientist Audio. His constant blind-testing and seeking of independent evaluations (again, under strict blind testing protocols in the MSA listening room), has impressed me greatly. What results are products that truly perform as advertised. Further, there is no hyperbole or puffery, which is refreshing.

Just this last week I had the opportunity to try out the newest addition to the MSA line-up, the “Power Purifiers”, specifically the Double Plus version (PP++). I first heard an early version of the device in the MSA reference system, and mentioned my very positive impressions in my previous review of MSA’s “Black Sticks”. The PP models I have auditioned this week were substantially different from the ones originally heard at the MSA listening room a few months ago. I was informed that the final form was determined, once again, by countless hours of blind testing and new approaches that yielded far better performance than what I originally heard.

Based on the blind testing I underwent at MSA’s listening room recently, I can say the improvements were quite substantial and very easily audible. But the only true test of a tweak is how it performs in your own system in your own home.

I will freely admit that I do not blind test much at my home. I usually simply put stuff in and listen. If it improves the sound I am getting, it stays. If not, it goes.

The new PP++s will definitely be staying!

Here’s why.

I tried the pair of PP++s on my big, modified Spectron Musician III, Mk2 special edition amplifiers (with full Bybees /V-Cap upgrades and myriad other tweaks.) Right out of the gate, my review notes stated in large bold face: “BASS!!”

Not excessive, tuneless, flabby, exaggerated bass. No, this was focused, deep, tuneful bass with PRAT and exceptional detail and drive. And as everyone who has experienced a great subwoofer will tell you, superb bass enhances all other elements of playback, by providing a much more realistic and palpable presence and rock-solid foundation upon which true musical reproduction can be built.

Thus, my other observations of significantly improved high frequency resolution, three dimensionality, air and that “in-the-room-with-you” experience should not be surprising.

The PP++s also seemed to strip away a haze and grunge that obscured details in the HF band, never, ever being in any way additive or euphonically distortive. Instead, what was revealed was much greater low-level details and hidden information that consistently left me saying, “I never knew THAT was on this recording”, even about discs that I have been using for years and years as references. It is the kind of upgrade that leaves your lips smiling and your toes tapping.

As for the midband, again, the PP++s revealed a wealth of detail and information that had previously been obscured. Trumpets and horns were especially pleasing, having had some residual glare removed that made playing at even higher SPLs possible, which is always a good thing. That, in turn, allowed even more detail and information to be displayed, all to wonderful effect.

Actually, I have always found that when a tweak allows for higher SPLs with no smoothing effect or loss of any low-level information in the upper mids and treble, it invariably results in improved across-the-board performance. All other things being equal, louder equates with more information being on display, as one would fully expect. And more info is what the game of tweaking is all about (at least for me.)

In short, the new MSA Power Purifier Double Plus device is not just a winner, but is an indispensable tool in revealing a wealth of information that would otherwise be obscured and unavailable. Its simply astounding effect on bass reproduction, coupled with its superb reduction in over-all grunge, allows the music to speak in a way that is deeply communicative and moving. These devices enhanced my listening to a degree that was well worth the price of admission.

But it gets better.

I had no idea until I visited the MSA website after writing the first draft of this review, but MSA offers the individual constituent parts of the PP line for sale to dyed-in-the-wool DIYers to allow experimentation with wire and configurations of your own choice to take the PP’s performance level to literally extreme heights. You could easily employ Furutech FI-11 Cu plugs and IECs (a personal fave of mine) plus any type of wire you desire, to fashion a truly stratospheric version of the Power Purifier! And what really impressed me was how supportive MSA’s website is of this approach.

If you are not the DIY type, simply use the 30 day money back guarantee MSA offers to try the devices (standard PP, or PP+, or the top-of-the-line PP++) and see if they bring you the same improvements they brought to my reference system.

You can also check out my review of the video aspects of the PP++’s performance over on the Video Asylum (which observations were resoundingly supported “in spades” by our own beloved Uncle Stu Ono.) My wife and I were really impressed by what the PP++s did for our 60” Pioneer plasma and Oppo Blu-Ray player. All of which establishes firmly in my mind that the MSA PP line is truly reducing distortions that afflict all manner of playback across-the-board. I am hopeful someone with a computer-based audio system will try them and report what the PPs can do for such playback.

As for me, it is now time to return to listening to my big rig.

(.....and smiling!) :-)

Cheers,

WS

 

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MSA Website, posted on February 27, 2014 at 16:04:56
beautox
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Thanks Mike. Details here on MSA website:

http://www.madscientist-audio.com/power-purifier/

 

RE: MSA Website, posted on February 28, 2014 at 11:37:49
xsb7244
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beautox,

It was many years ago that I enjoyed reading your very long thread on the Verumecce interconnect. Said thread was deleted. I never had a chance to read your deleted thread on your Moskido power amp. Can you start a thread when you have time on your Moskido power amp? Than the Audio Asylum community will know you better and not just for tweaks.

 

Re:MSA " Double Plus", posted on February 28, 2014 at 12:14:37
unclestu
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The PP add what Bob of MSA calls Kegs ( they look like mini kegs). The single + adds one keg per line (three total), and the double adds two per line (6 total).

The kegs, in and of themselves, are phenomenal performers. I add them after the filtering modules on my PLCs and they add a new degree of quieting. The quieting gives greater dynamics and enables you to hear deeper into the soundstage, uncovering details not easily heard before. The amazing thing is that this is not done by jacking up the treble as many other components will, but by simply lowering the threshold of noise.

In this manner, not only is finer detail revealed, but the soundstage width is increased significantly and the focus in the middle is also much tighter and more defined. The caveat is that you need a phase and time aligned transducer to really hear the finer details that the BD reveals, and far too few speaker systems offer a phase aligned system ( just look at Stereophile's impulse test measurements: even the expensive Wilson's fail there).

I find the Kegs also work phenomenally well when installed on the B+ leads of the power transformers. The same benefits are gained as when placement on the incoming AC is done. The effects, though, do not reach a plateau, but seem to be additive (I tried this after installing the Kegs on my PLC). This, of course, is great, but then one starts wondering "how much more can I lower the noise floor?".

In my system, only the Shunyata Hydra proved to have current unlimiting ability to keep amplifier dynamics at their peak. A set of double kegs on a junction box feeding a Leviton 5362 duplex yielded as much of not more performance gains than a Hydra, and it was a hell of lot cheaper.

The kegs do take time to break in: a minimum of several hours in my system. You hear some improvements immediately (bass response) but the fine detail keeps increasing over time. Most of the change ( I have no idea what is changing) occurs within two hours but there is still continuous change over at least four hours, so be aware if you try this mod. I place a CD on repeat and simply walk away for a few hours...

The PP execution, of course, simply splices in the MSA device in series with your IEC power cord, making comparisons before and after very easy.
This is a very reasonable and highly recommended device, IMHO

 

Right on Q. ;-), posted on February 28, 2014 at 12:17:02
Nt

 

RE: MSA Website, posted on February 28, 2014 at 16:22:37
beautox
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I have all the old threads saved, and of course the deigns themselves. I do mean to put them back online, probably on my website, but linked to from various forums. Quite a few people ask about this, so I really should get around to it.

It was a nasty piece of vandalism to remove the whole 300+ page 4 year long Moskido thread just because I disagreed with them about some IP, which had nothing even to do with that thread. I rarely visit forums anymore let alone post.

 

RE: MSA Website, posted on February 28, 2014 at 16:32:59
xsb7244
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Could you please post the Moskido amp thread by June or it may never get done. Thanks on the behalf of the Audio Asylum community.

 

RE: MSA Website, posted on February 28, 2014 at 16:34:12
beautox
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It will be much quicker than that...

 

RE: Review: MSA "Power Purifier Double Plus", posted on March 2, 2014 at 10:59:54
ozzyboy
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I went a head an ordered a PP++ with the silver clad wire option. Based on this thread I am expecting big things.

 

RE: Review: MSA "Power Purifier Double Plus", posted on March 2, 2014 at 12:14:06
SgreenP@MSN.com
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Am I doing something wrong?? I got the 2 free discs and tried them everywhere I could think of. The only place the discs did something at all was at the power input plug to my Ayre silver disc player. It seems to soften the highs a tad and add a slight dimensionality to the presentation. I tried it on the power input plugs on all the other components...nothing....on the case in various places of all the components...nothing....on the speaker cables....nothing. There was no where I could find that second disc could go to make any difference at all. Is it because my system is fully balanced? I don't know.

 

RE: Review: MSA "Power Purifier Double Plus", posted on March 2, 2014 at 20:18:20
beautox
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Almost certainly because of the fully balanced nature. I've found this on a few balanced systems.

Here's a more effective way of using the sample discs. I think you'll find this works better on the disc player.

http://www.madscientist-audio.com/simplepowerfilter/

 

RE: Review: MSA "Power Purifier Double Plus", posted on March 6, 2014 at 16:15:42
ozzyboy
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Received the Power Purifier Double ++ today.
It took exactly 3 days for delivery from New Zealand that is incredible!

First listen, I don't hear the great bass that the others have reported. I do believe that there is more air.
Now, I ordered the silver clad Teflon wire option and based on my past experience, this wire will need some time on my Audiodharma cable cooker to break in.
So, at this point, (just a couple of hours of use)I can't say if it is a keeper yet.

 

RE: Review: MSA "Power Purifier Double Plus", posted on March 8, 2014 at 17:45:11
setamp
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I am anxious to hear your follow-up. I would like to order a pp++ but am undecided on the wire choice. Bass is always a good thing!

 

RE: Review: MSA "Power Purifier Double Plus", posted on March 9, 2014 at 12:42:20
SgreenP@MSN.com
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setamp....the choice of wire depends on your own taste. Silver wire has a more brittle/extended high end, whereas copper has a (to me) a more accurate midrange. It depends on your taste and system as to which wire you might like better.

 

RE: Review: MSA "Power Purifier Double Plus", posted on March 9, 2014 at 14:11:41
fantja
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Cheers! WS. Very informative post.

 

RE: Review: MSA "Power Purifier Double Plus", posted on March 9, 2014 at 15:32:57
beautox
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Correct. I actually prefer the copper but it depends on your system.

 

RE: Review: MSA "Power Purifier Double Plus", posted on March 10, 2014 at 16:18:37
ozzyboy
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Well I am now into 4 days with the MSA "Power Purifier Double Plus".
What I notice is that with my Pass Amp there is actually a lessening of the bass.
But, there is more air in the upper end and that is nice. I think the Power Plus should use heavier gauge wire, it is only 14 gauge wire.

So, I am now trying it on my Pass Preamp which draws less current. As of right now I think there is an improvement with that piece of equipment but I'm not sure. I'll play it that way for a few days then remove it from my Preamp and see if I miss it.

I also tried it on my video setup and saw no Improvement.

Ken

 

RE: Review: MSA "Power Purifier Double Plus", posted on March 10, 2014 at 20:44:41
beautox
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Ken is wrong when he suggests that the PP should use thicker wire.

How do I know? Well because I've tried it. Thicker wire. Double runs. And I got the best performance with the wire I use, the copper version I should add.

Something in the mind seems to want to have big chunky power wires, but the truth is that they don't sound very good. Thicker wire has more inductance. Best to use the thinnest that handles the load, and the wire I use is rated 15-20A. If bigger was truly better, everyone would be using welding cable, and have you heard how bad that sounds?

I've been playing with some mains leads recently, and also I am finding the best performance with ones made from 14awg wire. And my amp is no low power thing. It idles at 500W+ so the mains lead has to pass, well a few amps!

The mains lead will be a DIY project. Pretty easy to make and works well, especially for the money (and especially if you use normal copper wire, means you can make a mains lead for a few dollars).

There is also another reason why I think that Ken is reporting the kinds of things that he is; PM or email me if you'd like to know more.

 

RE: Review: MSA "Power Purifier Double Plus", posted on March 11, 2014 at 07:47:59
ozzyboy
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Beautox, I wonder what you mean that there is another reason for my posting?
I am merely reporting and sharing with others what I hear in my System. I have NO other reason. My name is ozzy on Audiogon and I have posted ther for many years. I am a tweaker and have tried so many glowing special products through those years. Some impress and work and some just don't.

My system consists of a Pass Labs X350.5 Amp. A Pass Preamp XP-20, Eggleston Works Andra 2 speakers and a pair of JL Audio F-113 subs. I have HiDiamond P4 power cords and 3 dedicated lines. On my Digital I am using PS Audio P10.

As I stated about my experience with the Power Purifier +++ there is more upper air that is nice, but the bass sounds truncated.

I would like to try the Power Purifier +++ running parallel with the electricity flow inside my Amp, but I don't think the Pass Amp has a direct path to the incoming IEC.

I will continue to update...

 

RE: Review: MSA "Power Purifier Double Plus", posted on March 11, 2014 at 18:04:37
Strange thing to say. I wonder what he means, too. Is it a new marketing ploy?

 

RE: Review: MSA "Power Purifier Double Plus", posted on March 15, 2014 at 06:57:13
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Normally I don't post but I must take this opportunity to thank Winston. I read his well written posts about Mad Scientist andthe free discs were a no brainer for me. I was very much a non believer until I tried them. Than ordered black sticks and discus, and than tried the Power Purifier++. Before trying, my system was pretty average. Newform Research r8-30's, the rare Luxman L503S, Oppo 105, Roxan Zerxes, alpahson, Ortofon black on a dedicated circuit. ALl wiring and power conditioning is by Audio Sensibility of Toronto. The AS wires and P Conditioner had brought the system to a point where I thought this is as good as this system gives. But of course, I was wrong. Placing the Mad Scientist PP on the Lux was a continuation of what the Balck Discus and sticks were doing for my system. In one sentence, I heard Eva Cassidy sing for the very first time, really, really sing, I almost had an accident. Everything is so effortless it is as if freed from the equipment. Just simply more enjoyable from the deepest bass on up through with increased dynamics swings...I don't do raves and seldom post. But Winston, I know where you're coming from. Thanks again and also to the mad scientist..keep the maddness going. I'm now a beleiver. These results were in my system in my room. This sure makes music fun!

 

RE: Review: MSA "Power Purifier Double Plus", posted on March 16, 2014 at 13:44:49
ozzyboy
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Well, even though the Power Purifier Double Plus PP++ didn't make it into my Audio system.
I must say with my Video equipment it has shined. I think its because of the lower power requirements.

The Video has a very nice deep blackness enhancements. However, it took several hours before the improvements reached the maximum. So, plug in/and play was not a good trial. You need to wait for the improvement.

So, it looks like at least at this point I will keep it for that purpose.

 

Curious..., posted on March 16, 2014 at 23:33:54
unclestu
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How long did you leave it in your audio system?

I find that in my system it takes several hours to really shine and initial impressions were more often than not, negative. In fact, its almost as if it sounds very bad, then you know it will improve with time.

May I recommend that you try it again it your audio system. I find that once it sort of breaks int, the change seems to be more "permanent" althpught there will be a breakin period when changing over, but significantly shorter ( depends on the current demands of the various components). If I go from smaller demand components to larger current demand ones, the break in periods is longer. When going the reverse direction, the break in time is much shorter.

of course YMMV

 

RE: Curious..., posted on March 17, 2014 at 07:38:49
ozzyboy
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I had it in my Audio System for several days.

 

RE: Review: MSA "Power Purifier Double Plus", posted on March 20, 2014 at 07:03:55
Ryelands
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Here's a more effective way of using the sample discs.

I also found no difference with the sample discs no matter where I tried them. (My system uses unbalanced connections but I have gone to some lengths to filter mains-borne noise.)

Undaunted, I've just been trying them in the "more effective" way suggested. They certainly make a difference now - orders will be following "as soon as funds permit".

Thanks to Bob P for the freebies and the follow-up and to Winston for the review.

 

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